02-02-2003 23:45									#1
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	03-02-2003 00:05									#4
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The idiots who claim marijuana doesn't cause the same types of illness as tabacco are just fooling themselves. The lie that evil capitalist tabacco companies put in chemicals to kill their costumers is just so much mularky. I'd bet that smoking causes health problems reguardless of whither you smoke tabacco or marijuana plus most Js don't have a filters on them so they're probably worse then store bought cigs.

	03-02-2003 00:10									#5
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The addictive properties and the amount smoked vary greatly between the two. Marijuana does cause the same problems, but not to the degree that tobacco does.

And remember, tobacco farming is subsidized (like all agriculture) by the federal government. Marijuana farming is a felony. It just doesn't add up.

	03-02-2003 00:16									#6
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People usually don't chain-smoke half a pack of blunts every day.

	03-02-2003 00:18									#7
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I'd legalize it but I just hate it when I hear a ignorant 18 year old who's never taking a health, biology, or chemistry class in his life gets up and says pot is good for you because it is "natural". As if tabacco isn't natural.

I get the same sort of laugh when people tell me "organic" things are better. Don't they know Benzine is an organic compound?

	03-02-2003 00:18									#8
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And a most effective cure for gluecoma, astma, stress, eatingdisturbance, among other things...

And for the health risk: If it is ingested rather than inhaled, it's of course better.

	03-02-2003 00:21									#9
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quote: Originally posted by loinburger People usually don't chain-smoke half a pack of blunts every day.

Most people don't but I've seen lots of people do nothing but sit around and smoke pot all day. Ussually the long term heavy smokers become all dopey & apathetic as well so I'd imagine there are some long term mental health effects from smoking to much pot.

	03-02-2003 00:21									#10
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quote: Originally posted by loinburger People usually don't chain-smoke half a pack of blunts every day.

Most people don't but many people do.

Most people who smoke marijuana quit before it kills them, like me. Cigarettes are harder to quit.

	03-02-2003 00:23									#11
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quote: Originally posted by ThePlagueRat And a most effective cure for gluecoma, astma, stress, eatingdisturbance, among other things... And for the health risk: If it is ingested rather than inhaled, it's of course better.

Come on. your'e just high and thinking that its curing all those things

	03-02-2003 00:28									#13
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quote: Originally posted by ThePlagueRat And a most effective cure for gluecoma, astma, stress, eatingdisturbance, among other things... And for the health risk: If it is ingested rather than inhaled, it's of course better.

It has some effect but it is not the most effective at dealing with the simptums of those deseases. Since California passed its medicinal marijuana law a few years back there have been a number so studies which show numerous other drugs currently availible are more effective though marijuana is cheaper in a handful of cases.

By and large the people who are push for medical marijuana are just addicts who are looking for a way to ligitimize their addiction. Their goal is to get high and the suppression of simptums is an added benifet.

	03-02-2003 00:37									#14
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quote: Originally posted by DuncanK Come on. your'e just high and thinking that its curing all those things

Nope. I have some experince with the subject, though.
And through that, I do know what I'm talking about here.
I have never had glucoma or astma myself, but for some symptoms, I can recognise the positive effect of marihuana...
Painkilling mostly. Ok, If ingested it is particulary harmless. Inhalation can cause cancer though, because of the smoke. Just as with cigarettes. It's no bigger deal than that.

	03-02-2003 00:41									#15
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I'm sure all you pot backers will hop on that airliner with the stoned pilot then, won't you? After all, it ain't any worse that smoking and, God knows, it even reduces the effects of illnesses!

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	03-02-2003 00:41									#16
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The chemicals added to tabacco is what causes cancer.
Missing from marijuana.

	03-02-2003 00:50									#17
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand The chemicals added to tabacco is what causes cancer. Missing from marijuana.

	03-02-2003 00:51									#18
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If somebody wants to be dopey and smoke pot all day, I feel that they have that right. I would simply like marijuana legalized because I would use it occasionally. As with anything, moderation is the key. Too much of anything, whether it be fast food, alcohol, tobacco, marijuana... can kill you. More people die of heart disease in the US than anything else, yet I don't see red meat and fast food on the illegal list.

	03-02-2003 00:56									#19
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Heart disease is also caused by smoking

Aww big deal, hash barely has any effect anyway. You silly Yankees are still too wound up by it.

	03-02-2003 00:58									#20
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So true, Sava.

	03-02-2003 01:06									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin I'd legalize it but I just hate it when I hear a ignorant 18 year old who's never taking a health, biology, or chemistry class in his life gets up and says pot is good for you because it is "natural". As if tabacco isn't natural. I get the same sort of laugh when people tell me "organic" things are better. Don't they know Benzine is an organic compound?

same here!

	03-02-2003 01:16									#22
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Gatekeeper -

quote: I'm sure all you pot backers will hop on that airliner with the stoned pilot then, won't you?

Why? Does my support for legalised alcohol require me to board a plane flown by a drunk? Tell us, should we incarcerate the millions of people who use alcohol because of drunk pilots? Should I advocate outlawing sleep because a pilot might fall asleep at the controls?

Oerdin -

quote: The idiots who claim marijuana doesn't cause the same types of illness as tabacco are just fooling themselves.

Tell us how many people have died from smoking pot as opposed to the millions per decade who die from tobacco.

quote: most Js don't have a filters on them so they're probably worse then store bought cigs.

Calling others "idiots" after those gems made my day.

	03-02-2003 01:17									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Sava If somebody wants to be dopey and smoke pot all day, I feel that they have that right. I would simply like marijuana legalized because I would use it occasionally. As with anything, moderation is the key. Too much of anything, whether it be fast food, alcohol, tobacco, marijuana... can kill you. More people die of heart disease in the US than anything else, yet I don't see red meat and fast food on the illegal list.

perhaps to your first point... still undecided tho. Too much is unkown, for every published study i've read that says marajuana is not a major health risk, there are others that seem to contradict this. I also have reservations against using drugs to feel good. I dunno, why, exactly, I just kinda feel like its "cheating". If I wanna feel good, there are other ways i can do it.

however, your point about heart disease is kinda irrelevant, i think, as there are a million factors, including a huge genetic prediposition one.

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	03-02-2003 02:12									#24
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The major problem with marijuana as I've seen is mediocrity. A few people can handle this drug and let their core personalities lead on, few more are benefited by rare perks (Felch being in the minority, I assume). Yet many more become addicted subtly - not knowing that although their daily lives are still attainable, they are slowed down physically and mentally - dramatically. The majority of potheads are simply reduced in ability, and it's sad that the green ignorance leads one to not even know that. I mean... I've seen a few friends progress into this "blissful" state over months and years - and although they are still kind people, I itch to just beat the living sh*t out of them now and again when they're acting like folk rock fan sacks of garbage.

The worst is those who convince themselves that they're gaining an insightful edge by becoming a hacky-sack philosopher, although I know none of them - I was near dragged in myself.

...and as far as I know, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT COCAINE, F*CKHEAD. If you want to rant about what I'm doing with my own physical and mental state by snorting once a week, start another thread.

	03-02-2003 02:16									#25
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Oh my that was rude

...and I must recant, that all debate is fair grounds here. Drugs... what a waste

	03-02-2003 02:20									#26
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I don't know anyone who says that tobacco companies put stuff in their cigarettes to kill their users. We do know for a fact, however, that tobacco comanies do fiddle with the the nicotine content to string their customers along, keep them addicted. They do add lots of chems to the cigarettes; killing their customers is just an side effect. Obviously, the tobacco companies don't want their customers dying. You can't make money off a dead customer.

As for pot, it sure as **** does NOT help you with asthma, unless you're trying to induce an asthma attack. Smoke is bad for asthmatics, period, end of sentence. Possibly if you eat it or drink it it might help, but very few people do that.

Pot's main benefit is that it helps sick people overcome their nausea from chemo therapy, so that they can hold their food down.

BTW, just cuz benzene is an organic compound doesn't mean you can call stuff with benzene in it organic. (BTW, did you know that most mind altering drugs have a benzene ring as a key molecular component?)

	03-02-2003 02:20									#27
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BTW, in the first panel of the cartoon, is that a dildo waving its arm?

There can't be that many dildo-related deaths, can there?

	03-02-2003 02:23									#28
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quote: Originally posted by loinburger BTW, in the first panel of the cartoon, is that a dildo waving its arm?

It's a bullet.

	03-02-2003 02:23									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Most people don't but I've seen lots of people do nothing but sit around and smoke pot all day. Ussually the long term heavy smokers become all dopey & apathetic as well so I'd imagine there are some long term mental health effects from smoking to much pot.

its called killing brain cells. Dont deny it folks. At least know as you're doing it.

Oh and jays are 10 tens unhealthier for your lungs than 1 cigarette.

	03-02-2003 02:24									#30
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara It's a bullet.

I thought it was a pill because cratoon theme seemed to be about drugs.