03-02-2003 21:09									#1
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quote: Politicians and British Muslim leaders have dismissed preacher Sheikh Abu Hamza's comments on the Columbia space shuttle, which he described as carrying a "trinity of evil". Mr Hamza - recently barred from preaching at the Finsbury Park mosque in London - said the loss of the shuttle and all seven astronauts was a "sign from God". The controversial cleric said the crew had been punished with death by Allah because there was an Israeli, Ilan Ramon, a Hindu Indian-born Kalpana Chawla, and Americans onboard. But shadow home secretary Oliver Letwin said Mr Hamza's comments were "monstrous, appalling, despicable, and outrageous". "All sensible people in Britain will be amazed that someone can engage in implicit incitement of this sort without anyone laying a finger on him." Dr Ghayasuddin Siddiqui, leader of the Muslim Parliament, dismissed Mr Hamza's pronouncement as "lunatic". Dr Siddiqui told BBC News Online all British Muslims would be feeling sympathy for the dead astronauts, who had given their lives in the pursuit of sciences

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2720775.stm

Don't we have laws against incitement to racial hatred in this country? Surely attacking Jews, Americans and Hindus in one go counts as incitement?

****ing lunatic extremists...

	03-02-2003 21:10									#2
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I disagree with what he says, but its not encitement to do anything

	03-02-2003 21:12									#3
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The guy's a loony, and a nasty one at that.

Free Speach, however, grants him the right to be a nasty SOB if he wants to. He wasn't telling Muslims to go forth and kill (at least not in this instance), but rather rejoicing in a tragedy that already happened.

Fine. **** him, he's an *******. But he's got the right to say what he said.

-Arrian

	03-02-2003 21:13									#4
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I suppose it might be enticement to puch him in the face.

OTOH maybe he is just an outrageous real life troll

	03-02-2003 21:14									#5
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He looks like a troll.

	03-02-2003 21:19									#6
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You want to lock a guy up for exercising his free speech rights, Iain?

	03-02-2003 21:20									#7
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Take some initiative people. Just because it's legal doesn't mean this guy doesn't deserve an ass-beating. Take some shovels and baseball bats, and pound this guy. Crack his skull, and see how many nasty little bigots open their mouths next time something bad happens.

	03-02-2003 21:23									#8
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Doesn't sound like encitement to be. Did he recommend doing anything about this trinity of evil?

Edit: Felch X does have a point... Of course he's just saying do that in the theoretical sense.

	03-02-2003 21:25									#9
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You only encourage outbursts like that when you wink, Dan.

	03-02-2003 21:29									#10
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So much for freedom of speech in the UK

	03-02-2003 21:32									#11
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I completely disagree with what he said, but you can't lock him up for that.

	03-02-2003 21:38									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger I completely disagree with what he said, but you can't lock him up for that.

What about locking him into a room with an Widows of an Israeli, a Hindu, and an American? Oh, and Chris62.

	03-02-2003 21:39									#13
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Paiktis, no one is going to lock him up. Why the thumbs down (aside from the fact that you're a gigantic bigot along the same lines as the Sheikh, and your xenophobia is well known)?

	03-02-2003 21:41									#14
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Felch, right back at ya protecting your ***** are you?

Thumbs down for not supporting free speech

	03-02-2003 21:41									#15
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Well, it is Britain, and you guys don't have free speech but I'd say locking him up would be wrong.

	03-02-2003 21:43									#16
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what Che said.

	03-02-2003 21:43									#17
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quote: Dr Ghayasuddin Siddiqui

Relative of yours, Imran?

	03-02-2003 21:47									#18
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Nope

	03-02-2003 21:49									#19
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Okay, maybe it was an over-reaction - and if that's not incitement then fair enough. He's a ****ing idiot though.

	03-02-2003 21:49									#20
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Hey, Paik, the US has to protect our sattelite from the slander of some hairy greek.

	03-02-2003 21:50									#21
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Well, it is Britain, and you guys don't have free speech but I'd say locking him up would be wrong.

Uh we do

	03-02-2003 21:51									#22
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Felch,
That's what I said. Instead of satelite I said *****.
And what a cosmopolitan you are!

	03-02-2003 21:54									#23
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He has a right to free speech under the constitution which is unheard of in many moslem countries. No, we can't lock him up. So I suggest we pull out his toenails, are you with me?

	03-02-2003 21:56									#24
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Well he's in the UK so his right to free speach is protected by common law rather than the constitution but basicaly he can say what he wants.

Can't see how this helps his cause, but then i'm not a infidel bashing nutcase

	03-02-2003 21:58									#25
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Actually that's crap Stinger.

The UK's treatment of prisoners of terrorism makes the US human rights violations of its own prisoners pale in comparison.

As written in a very interesting German report.

	03-02-2003 21:59									#26
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Care to link or are you just talking crap as usual?

	03-02-2003 22:00									#27
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Can't link sorry.

Do a search or just attribute it to unpleasant to you "crap" as usual.

If you do a search you'll find it. In German and maybe in English. It was in a big German newspaper report.

	03-02-2003 22:01									#28
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Actually that's crap Stinger. The UK's treatment of prisoners of terrorism makes the US violations of its own prisoners pale in comparison. As written in a very interesting German report.

The only restrictions the UK has on free speach are those relating to teh incitement of religios/racial hatred which is IIRC the same as the USA.

And sa you are from a country that had a military dictatorship until quite recently I wouldn't lecture on human rights violations.

Stinger refrains form bringing up the arrest of plan spotters

	03-02-2003 22:02									#29
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quote: Originally posted by TheStinger Uh we do

No you don't. Libel and slander are much easier to sue for in the UK and the government can (and does) ban books. Compared to most of the world, you have very unrestricted speech, but AFAIK, only the US actually has free speech.

	03-02-2003 22:03									#30
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It was all according to the law.

Also funny you brought up the military dictatorship considering you and the US actively supported it at the time...