05-02-2003 14:04									#31
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yeah fairline, i "closed" your ZSU-57 and i also removed the designer initials because i add a file containing the unit credits to the scenario. and the canberra will also be changed.

btw, has anyone a U-2 Recon Aircraft graphic?!

	05-02-2003 18:21									#32
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Ok guys, here is version 0.9 (playtest) any bugs or something like bugs iīd like to have reported. thanks and have fun.

part 1

should include: units.gif, terrain1.gif, terrain2.gif, title.gif, cities.gif, people.gif.

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	05-02-2003 18:26									#33
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part 2

should include: coldwarcrisis.scn, events.txt, game.txt, labels.txt, pedia.txt, readme.txt, rules.txt, unit credits.txt.

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	05-02-2003 18:27									#34
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and finally the introducing text document (coldwarcrisis.txt).

anyone else interested in a pbem playtest? academia was the only one who wanted to do so.

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	05-02-2003 20:59									#35
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I canīt download the coldwarcrisis.txt fille

	05-02-2003 21:00									#36
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Looks great, but upon independent inspection, I found that all rebel cities had 4-6 rebel units in them, so perhaps you should tweak them down a little.

	05-02-2003 21:09									#37
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please download the rules.txt attached below and thanks fairline, your units helped me a lot.

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	05-02-2003 21:17									#38
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Also, little misspelling of the Soviet leader's name, should be Khrushchev, not Krushchev.

	05-02-2003 23:41									#39
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Comment:
YOU STOLE MY TITLE.GIF!!!!!
Iīm gonna sue you!!!!!


No, seriously speaking... I think you should use your own title.gif! A new one, original.
Think about this: 2 Scenarios with the same Title.gif? Mmm... do you really like that?

	06-02-2003 00:08									#40
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Regarding unit credits.txt:

* I found the initials "DC" in the Spy Satellite pic in one of my units galleries
* F-4B Phantom II: I think thatīs made by BeBro
* Su-15 Flagon: I think BeBro too
* F-111A Aardvark: Mmm... Bebro?
* B-52 Stratofortress: Andrew Livings
* Mirage V:
* SSBN Submarine: Mmm... Andrew Livings too?
* SSN Submarine: Andrew Livings
* Tu-95 Bear: I found the initials AC in the pic
* Tu-16 Badger: AC initials too
* Ka-25 Hormone: My conversion of a real Ka-25 photo
* SA-341 Gazelle: My conversion of a real SA-341 photo

	06-02-2003 00:14									#41
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Nuclear Power:
Mmm... the soviets begin the game with 8 ICBM and 5 MRBM (Total= 13)
And the US: 10 ICBM and 2 MRBM (Total= 12)

Why did you choose that? You know, thatīs not accurate...


These are the numbers for 1963:

ICBMS
USA: 424
USSR: 100

Total Nuclear Stockpile in 1963:
USA: 29,249
USSR: 4,248

	06-02-2003 00:17									#42
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USA-USSR Nuclear Stockpile

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	06-02-2003 00:19									#43
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USA/USSR Strategic Bombers

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	06-02-2003 00:19									#44
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ok, updated unit credits. thanx to academia

on the title.gif iīm still working

btw, have all of you checked the pbem thread out?

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	06-02-2003 00:21									#45
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USA/USSR Strategic Bomber Weapons

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	06-02-2003 00:23									#46
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to make it a bit more interesting and funny. imagine a nuclear pre-emptive strike of the US possessing 4-5 times more nukes than the USSR. who do you think will win?!?!?!

	06-02-2003 00:25									#47
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quote: ok, updated unit credits. thanx to academia

You are welcome

quote: on the title.gif iīm still working

mmm... try here:
http://www.cca.org/woc/links/coldwar.html

You may find interesting soviet propoganda posters in this site

	06-02-2003 00:28									#48
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quote: to make it a bit more interesting and funny. imagine a nuclear pre-emptive strike of the US possessing 4-5 times more nukes than the USSR. who do you think will win?!?!?!

Ok dude. Your scenario, your choice
Iīm just saying that i find it completely unrealistic.
We arenīt talking about a difference of 100 vs. 200 nuclear bombs.
ITīS 29,000 VS 4,000
ENORMOUS DIFFERENCE!!!!

All in all, i think that at least the US should have more nukes than the USSR in your scenario.
Thatīs all

	06-02-2003 00:31									#49
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donīt feel offended but the thing with the nukes is manageable

and i also know the difference was that enormous but just for the reason mentioned above ...... come on, donīt be that cruel

	06-02-2003 00:33									#50
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quote: and i also know the difference was that enormous but just for the reason mentioned above ...... come on, donīt be that cruel

Offended? no, why should i be?
I just wanted to make myself clear.
As I said:
Your scenario, your choice

Anyway, the most important thing is TO HAVE FUN PLAYING YOUR SCENARIO!!!

	06-02-2003 04:51									#51
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quote: Originally posted by academia Regarding unit credits.txt: * I found the initials "DC" in the Spy Satellite pic in one of my units galleries * F-4B Phantom II: I think thatīs made by BeBro * Su-15 Flagon: I think BeBro too * F-111A Aardvark: Mmm... Bebro? * B-52 Stratofortress: Andrew Livings * Mirage V: * SSBN Submarine: Mmm... Andrew Livings too? * SSN Submarine: Andrew Livings * Tu-95 Bear: I found the initials AC in the pic * Tu-16 Badger: AC initials too * Ka-25 Hormone: My conversion of a real Ka-25 photo * SA-341 Gazelle: My conversion of a real SA-341 photo

Pretty much, Acedemia. Here's some more, Jim:

- AC=Jimmywax
- The T-55-derived units are not mine, they are merely tweaks of BeBro/Curt Sibling originals
- Engineers=Nemo
- Curt Sibling also modified DannyEvilcat's infantry quite a lot; I think they are for a scenario called Soviet Steel (?)
- the Thunderchief is Techumseh
- The BMP-2 (not BTR-60!) is by Jimmywax, not me

I hope you update the credits file, because you have attributed some of these units to me.

	06-02-2003 05:30									#52
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quote: Originally posted by academia Regarding unit credits.txt: * F-4B Phantom II: I think thatīs made by BeBro * Su-15 Flagon: I think BeBro too

The F-4 looks like BeBro's but it looks modified, so I am not sure. I am positive the Su-15 isn't his though. He made the F-4 along with several other units for me and that was not one of them. I am sorry though that I am not sure who it belongs too. It might be Curt's or the same person who made the Mirage(Jim?).

Also, I am positive that Andrew Livings has an A-4 that would fit in perfectly with your graphics. I will post it and you can decide. I might also be able to help you with the U-2. I have an idea for it.

	06-02-2003 06:55									#53
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Just a couple bugs...

First, the date doesn't go forward. It goes backward.

Second, I believe "Mossul" is "Mosul," isn't it?

Third, not exactly a bug, but I wouldn't use the "Radio" slot if you don't intend to build more (unlimited movement) railroads. I noticed you don't allow construction of RRs, but you do allow building of airbases. Airbases can act as RRs.

Other than these three things, I love your scenario! An excellent piece of work that I am enjoying regardless of whatever bugs are currently in the game. Be proud.

	06-02-2003 07:14									#54
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Another thing, when the intelligence angecy wonder is built, it is said it has been "granted," when it of course has been built, not granted.

	06-02-2003 08:23									#55
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I wish to correct an earlier statement: all rebel cities have 4-5 rebel/neutral armies in them, except for Stockholm and Helsinki, which only had one each and were building cruise missiles

	06-02-2003 08:38									#56
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Also, when you take a city, IDF infantry appear outside the cities as partisans. How about replacing that non-used slot with the IDF and put a partisan unit in that slot?

	06-02-2003 18:23									#57
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Hey hey! Your scenario looks really cool! Im not the biggest fan of cold war scenarios but this one really could make me play such one!

	06-02-2003 19:26									#58
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Another nitpick: Shouldn't the UAR be communist? The UAR was highly socialistic, under the control of the Ba'ath Party in Syria and Nasser in Egypt. Political Islam, or Fundamentalism, did not really emerge as a major force until the 1979 Iranian revolution.
The Arab League should probably be a Parliamentary Monarchy, to reflect the powers of the Saudis and the royal families of Jordan, Iraq, Morocco, etc.

	08-02-2003 02:07									#59
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quote: Originally posted by rmsharpe Just a couple bugs... First, the date doesn't go forward. It goes backward.

The reason for this is simple: the starting date is set as -23549, when it should be simply 23549.

	08-02-2003 03:44									#60
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Yeah, I modified it on my own and changed it to the right way.