13-02-2003 16:56									#121
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Israel is filled with rumours saying that the attack will start on Saturday night, local time. The IAF began emergency mobilization of the AA Corps.

	13-02-2003 17:07									#122
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Eli, well could be.. I think they need to start the offensive soon, because it's going to be hot summer soon.

	13-02-2003 17:10									#123
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If you can't take the heat, stay out of Baghdad. Or how does the saying go?

	13-02-2003 17:31									#124
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka Eli, well could be.. I think they need to start the offensive soon, because it's going to be hot summer soon.

doesn't matter if hot summer or hotter summer.
the US/UK-missiles will shatter every building, the US/UK-nerve gas will make every soldier panic and the US/UK-tanks will cut through the iraqi defences like a hot knife through soft butter.
the yanks will lose just a few hundred mainly coloured soldiers (aka cannonfodder) and maybe a few more hundred when entering baghdad.
the real problem: the islamists will hate the zionist controlled (as they say) americans even more and will also get support by the moderate muslims. more money will go to the palestinian suicide bombers and more will blow themselves up. that leads to even more repression by the IDF which provokes even more hate... more kills, more repression, more hate, more kills, more repression... and so on. it's a vicious cycle that cannot end.

the ONLY solution: the sensible and real peace-wanters (falks) should take over the power and should show understanding to the oppressed. give them money, a hand, food, jobs... mainly: a future. not all of them will comply, some idiots will never stop. but at least the majority might be able to live in peace.

ethnic problems can only be solved like illnesses: get to the ROOT of the problem (poverty, suppression, radicalism) and don't just fight the symptoms...

	13-02-2003 19:29									#125
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quote: the US/UK-missiles will shatter every building, the US/UK-nerve gas will make every soldier panic and the US/UK-tanks will cut through the iraqi defences like a hot knife through soft butter. the yanks will lose just a few hundred mainly coloured soldiers (aka cannonfodder)

Yeah, and then our Martian allies will come in with their death rays and you will all BOW BEFORE US!

Damn, aren't there enough questions/problems with this proposed war without you just pulling **** out of your ass?

-Arrian

	13-02-2003 20:04									#126
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	13-02-2003 20:15									#127
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Nice to see there will be demonstrations worldwide (including the US) and not only in Europe. I don't think it will scratch the convictions of influent hawks a bit, but I hope the politicians of the White House will understand how much support the anti-war cause has.

	13-02-2003 20:33									#128
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian Yeah, and then our Martian allies will come in with their death rays and you will all BOW BEFORE US! Damn, aren't there enough questions/problems with this proposed war without you just pulling **** out of your ass? -Arrian

1) in fact, there is a nerve gas, that makes you panic and freak out. it's like you're on a horrific horrortrip after taking halucingenic drugs. and they have been used by western armies.

2) but doesn't it strange to you, that the percentage of deaths of blacks is higher the the one of whites? i'm sorry if you feel offended. but i interpret these facts like that.

think like an average general: there's a minefield or dangerous place where you don't know where the enemy is hiding. you've got to send someone in. either the white guy who's family votes for the republicans or the black guy who's family lives in poverty and usually votes democrat (that is, if they vote at all).


btw: you're right, as you say, **** comes out of my ass...

	13-02-2003 20:37									#129
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quote: Originally posted by sabrewolf btw: you're right, as you say, **** comes out of my ass...

As with your posts it seems.

	13-02-2003 20:48									#130
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According to a story in the Washington Post this morning, Bush is "sleeping like a baby" in spite of the impending crisis. Powell supposedly said that he, too, is "sleeping like a baby". Said Powell, "Every two hours I wake up screaming."

	13-02-2003 21:06									#131
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don't think it will scratch the convictions of influent hawks a bit, but I hope the politicians of the White House will understand how much support the anti-war cause has.

Strong support for the anti-war cause is running at about 17% in the US. On the other hand, 46% strongly support military action, and total support for military action is 66%.

	13-02-2003 21:16									#132
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France opposes the war cause of oil investment in iraq. In 20 years they will be big oil cowboys of the middle east.

Wonder what a free Iraq would think of france?

	13-02-2003 21:30									#133
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Last report I saw was 71% of Americans are ready NOW.

Let me kind of issue a response to Sava, and maybe some others, about how I "want to send the youth to be killed".

That's unfair, and untrue.
I wish none of the military had to deal with Iraq in the coming days.
By all rights, this should have been a done deal years ago.
The military would be involved elsewhere, probably; but we wouldn't be having this particular discussion today.

So, 71% of America wants to go thump the Hussein family's head.
Yes, I'm one of them, and I offer my thanks to those of the military that will go take care of me and mine.
I'm too old, or I'd carry my load, again.

71% of America agree, and I'm sure support of the troops will be near 100%.
Consider yourself fortunate.
Knowing you have the backing of your countrymen should help sustain you in times of hardship.

Know this, too.
It's the waiting that's always going to be the worst.
While actually doing, whatever you may be required to do, you'll be too busy with the moment to be stressed.

The afterwards is even worse than the present, but the waiting is by far the worst.

So again, thanks. I wish it weren't this way, but it is.

	13-02-2003 21:33									#134
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quote: Originally posted by DanS Strong support for the anti-war cause is running at about 17% in the US. On the other hand, 46% strongly support military action, and total support for military action is 66%.

Did Powell's speech turn the tide so much ? I've read here the opposition to war in the US (strong and weak) was the majority in the US some weeks ago.
Or did Fox News finally succeed in its warmongering scheme ?

	13-02-2003 21:36									#135
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quote: Originally posted by Vandal-1 I have read this entire thread thoroughly and came to the several conclusions: the first one being that the U.S if it desires other nations to respect the legitimate athourity of the UN ought itself yield to its authority;case else the U.N is not a legitimate authority.Secoundly that by definition a republican party historically conserves the constitution and serves the best interest of the people but the present American leadership like McCarthy has utilized fear within in the ranks of the masses to trash it( the constitution) and serve merchant interest(not the people) thus they are not Republicans but Neo-McCarthist or something and lastly they are in denial they (US leadership) believe that if OBL and Hussien are eliminated everytghing will be resolved such as the case would be if "anti-Amercanism" which is actually anti-mercantilism were localized with in the mid east but it is not it is in fact wide spreadas well as chronic.lThis has happenned before with Kadaffi with Egypt and with sultinates through out history so what are we advocating other than a ingenuine resolution at the expense of occuppying the Persian States till they are depleted even if it takes a thousand years just to prove we are nt going to tolerate their protracted resistance.WTF

I don't know what the world view of UN authority is but I am certain that Americans have never even considered the idea that the UN has any authority over the US. You would have to kill 200 million Americans before the US yielded to outside authority.

The purpose of the war with Iraq is to establish that nations cannot sponsor terrorism without facing direct confrontation with the US military. It's about establishing a deterrant. Now Bush can't come out and say that of course.

Saddam, in addition to his many other sins, sponsors terror by providing rewards for the families of Palestinian suicide bombers. That, and the 9/11 attacks is really all that was needed to convince the Bush administration to remove Saddam. The rest of the talk is just window dressing.

	13-02-2003 21:39									#136
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Polls are stupid in this case. Since when do issue's of national security require majority approval? Wars are not driven by polls (atleast they shouldnt) or be prevented by them.

	13-02-2003 21:42									#137
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quote: Originally posted by jimmytrick The purpose of the war with Iraq is to establish that nations cannot sponsor terrorism without facing direct confrontation with the US military. It's about establishing a deterrant. Now Bush can't come out and say that of course.

Care to explain why Saudi Arabia isn't the target then ? They are the most active at financing terrorism and radical islamism, while Iraq remained wordly until very recently, and spent its money in traditional warfare rather than terrorism.

	13-02-2003 21:53									#138
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quote: Originally posted by jimmytrick I don't know what the world view of UN authority is but I am certain that Americans have never even considered the idea that the UN has any authority over the US. You would have to kill 200 million Americans before the US yielded to outside authority. The purpose of the war with Iraq is to establish that nations cannot sponsor terrorism without facing direct confrontation with the US military. It's about establishing a deterrant. Now Bush can't come out and say that of course. Saddam, in addition to his many other sins, sponsors terror by providing rewards for the families of Palestinian suicide bombers. That, and the 9/11 attacks is really all that was needed to convince the Bush administration to remove Saddam. The rest of the talk is just window dressing.

aw come on...
the US sponsored
- saddam against iran
- the taliban against the soviets
- central american dictators
- and so on.

that's a lot worse than giving some dozen young men money for blowing themselves up.

damnit... you americans should get the proportions right. you can't blame someone for something where your leaders are no different.

and when will you get it, that 9/11 had NOTHING to do with saddam. the majority of the planes were saudis and jemenites, osama leader is a saudi. the cell organised themselves in germany and the US.
saddam may be a liar, a murderer and a war criminal but he did not have anything to do with the attacks.

stop watching propaganda and read some unbiased news...

	13-02-2003 22:02									#139
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Did Powell's speech turn the tide so much ? I've read here the opposition to war in the US (strong and weak) was the majority in the US some weeks ago.

They weren't telling the truth. Don't think there has been a poll below 50% support for military action to remove Hussein for at least a decade, and the lowest support for military action to remove Hussein lately has been 57%. See question 7.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-sr.../data021103.htm

	13-02-2003 22:03									#140
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Sabrewolf :
There is no such thing as unbiased news. The news in Europe ar as much anti-war as the news in the US are bloodthirsty.

DanS : very interesting link, thank you.

	13-02-2003 22:43									#141
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I changed my mind about the war when I found out that they were planning on dropping Patriot Act II on us as soon as the war started. This news didn't really make the headlines, but it was on PBS and the back pages of some newspapers.

I wonder if this will make an overall difference on war support in the States. Not that it will matter much. The US has never mobilized troops like that and not used them.

	13-02-2003 23:24									#142
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Since Ming's gonna fry my ass extra crispy if I start a new thread, here's a new development:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2755851.stm

Iraq has apparently some illegal missiles. They go 9 miles over the allowed range, whether it's with or without payload I don't know.
This is being touted by some as material breach, but the fact is that it was Iraq itself that informed the inspectors of the missiles.
So, if the above is true, Iraq might finally start cooperating properly, assuming that the US doesn't start playing games (I really hope they won't).

	14-02-2003 00:23									#143
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According to the Israeli Channel one, Syria, Lebanon and the Hezbollah signed a secret agreement not to attack Israel during the war with Iraq in order to avoid an Israeli retaliation.

	14-02-2003 00:25									#144
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quote: Originally posted by Eli According to the Israeli Channel one, Syria, Lebanon and the Hezbollah signed a secret agreement not to attack Israel during the war with Iraq in order to avoid an Israeli retaliation.

If it is secret, how do you know about it?

	14-02-2003 00:34									#145
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The question is, why has Iraq waited so long?

Why wasn't this reported in the report they have given in November?

Just because they give the inspectors a cookie, doesn't mean they are cooperating.

	14-02-2003 00:39									#146
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That's really reaching for an excuse Siro. So what should Saddam do now, when both withholding and surrendering information on weapons programs are punishable by war?

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Jaako : the whole point of the war is not Iraq disarming, even if it will be a side effect. The warmongering logic has begun, and it will not be stopped until its purpose is fulfilled.
The only way to avoid war would be for the American public opinion to be strongly against it. But we won't see this anytime soon.

	14-02-2003 01:08									#148
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The war will start somewhere in the next week, it cannot be avoided anymore.

	14-02-2003 01:10									#149
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Tarek Aziz : "We have no means to attack Israel"

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The only way to avoid war would be for the American public opinion to be strongly against it. But we won't see this anytime soon.

Yep.