05-02-2003 04:55									#1
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My wife and I saw Chicago over the weekend. This is another bad film. It is a musical with great dance numbers - some of the best I have ever seen. But the singing is just plain bad.

But, the worst part of the movie is that there is not one single good person in the movie (except for the cuckolded husband). Every character is an self-centered, lying, cheating and backstabbing villain. Villiany is glorified in this movie. Good does not triumph in the end.

So, as the movie credits roll, one simply has to wonder what this world is coming to where evil is rewarded and the good guys get crushed.

This film should be boycotted.

	05-02-2003 04:58									#2
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As I was watching the first preview, my radar immediately picked up this crap as I announced a stern, "STUPID!". Of course the other people in the theater simply fell silent as I heard whispers of, "Gee, what an a55hole."

	05-02-2003 05:18									#3
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is there any nudity?

	05-02-2003 05:26									#4
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edit: delayed DP

It told me the message didn't get through. I guess it did.

	05-02-2003 06:06									#5
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"But, the worst part of the movie is that there is not one single good person in the movie (except for the cuckolded husband). Every character is an self-centered, lying, cheating and backstabbing villain. Villiany is glorified in this movie. Good does not triumph in the end."
Some people will take this movie to seriously and hold this view. Others, more grounded in reality, will find the composition of characters interesting, rather than objectionable.
It's a brilliant movie.

	05-02-2003 06:14									#6
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L.A. Confidential was another movie like this, where there are no likable characters. So what's wrong with that?

While you don't get to see them uncovered, you still get to be impressed by Queen Latifa's monumental bossum.

	05-02-2003 06:57									#7
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Che, Midnight Cowboy was a film about two run-down characters. However, in the end, they did help each other out.

In Chicago, the backstabbing and betrayal continue until the very end.

Did Shakespeare ever write anything like this?

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Hamlet, MacBeth

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara L.A. Confidential was another movie like this, where there are no likable characters. So what's wrong with that?

The characters were much more likeable than in the book. Even Dudley Smith got killed in the movie.

	05-02-2003 07:27									#10
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Othello, King Lear

	05-02-2003 07:46									#11
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OK, I stand corrected. Chicago is a great film in the tradition of Shakespeare's glorification of villiany.

I highly recommed the film for up and coming starlets, prison guards and lawyers who need a lesson in the avoidance of ethics.

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The best they can do is Queen Latifa? WEAK!

	05-02-2003 08:16									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Ned OK, I stand corrected.

Dude! It's a matter of taste. Your opinion is just as valid as everyone else's. No one is requiring you to like the movie. Dark beer isn't for everyone either. Some folks just like their art or their beer a little more bitter than others.

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	05-02-2003 08:25									#14
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No, the movie still sucks

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Come on, Ned. Chicago isn't supposed to be serious social commentary--it's all tongue-and-cheek. It's camp! That's why it's a musical.

	05-02-2003 08:51									#16
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L.A. Confidential was another movie like this, where there are no likable characters. So what's wrong with that?

Haven't seen Chicago, but how about Exley? Wasn't he likable? Well, I liked him, at least.

	05-02-2003 09:26									#17
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Ned, life isn't black and white.

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quote: Originally posted by SnowFire Haven't seen Chicago, but how about Exley? Wasn't he likable? Well, I liked him, at least.

Exley is a manipulative ***hole opportunist. And in the book...

spoiler(highlight to read): He was a coward during the war and his war hero status is bogus and he lets Dudley Smith off the hook at the end.

Edit: bad grammar

	05-02-2003 09:33									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Come on, Ned. Chicago isn't supposed to be serious social commentary--it's all tongue-and-cheek. It's camp! That's why it's a musical.

Of course, Boris. It is a parody. Everybody is sooooo evil as to be laughable.

I just didn't find it amuzing. Neither did my wife.

	05-02-2003 09:37									#20
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Maybe you have a bad sense of humor then?

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I didnt watch it yet, but isnt it supposed to be about mob psychology?

Typical good-triumphing-in-the-end-and-everything-is-fine-and-dandy makes me sick either. I'd rather take bad guy win over anyday.

	05-02-2003 09:41									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Calc II I didnt watch it yet, but isnt it supposed to be about mob psychology?

No, it's a silly musical about a woman who shoots her abusive husband (or is it boyfriend?) dead and then gets a slick attorney to get her off, and in the process he makes her a media celebrity.

It's harmless, not at all pretending to be serious. It has some really catchy numbers, too. And no, the characters aren't all evil. Ned seems to be exaggerating that point.

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Now that you mention it, as I think back on it, the film really is alot about mob psychology.

	05-02-2003 09:46									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov No, it's a silly musical about a woman who shoots her abusive husband (or is it boyfriend?) dead and then gets a slick attorney to get her off, and in the process he makes her a media celebrity.

Sounds horrible.

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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Maybe you have a bad sense of humor then?

I wasn't the only one - noone else laughed during our performance.

I haven't read any reviews of the movie yet. Let's see what they have to say about the "humor."

	05-02-2003 09:58									#26
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It's gotten rave reviews so far:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/Chicago-1119031/

Most of the negative reviews are comparing badly to the stage musical, which is the exact same story!

	05-02-2003 09:59									#27
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quote: Originally posted by monolith94 Now that you mention it, as I think back on it, the film really is alot about mob psychology.

I like mob psych movies, so I dunno if I will like it or not. My friends said they loved it, but thats coming from the guys who have no taste at all in movies... but we'll see. If it does any good job of portraying the retardedness of how social psychology works,

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You could not pay me to see Chicago.

Okay, you could, but it'd need to cover the cost of therapy afterwards and then some.

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"If it does any good job of portraying the retardedness of how social psychology work"
Oh, I think it does. They manage to? well I don't want to give away any spoilers.

	05-02-2003 10:03									#30
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I mistook your "mob" to mean the crime one... oops!

Yeah, it is sorta about mob psych, but not on anything but a superficial level.

The plot is really there just to bring along the musical numbers. Complaining that the characters are somehow all unlikeable is missing the point. They're there to sing and dance, dammit.