05-02-2003 15:19									#1
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I'm curious: of the major US newspapers which are the most conservative, which are considered more liberal?
Here in Australia our newspapers often print stories from various US newspapers, and I've always wanted to know if I'm reading something sourced from a rabid right wing rag or just from a moderately right wing rag.

	05-02-2003 15:31									#2
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The big liberal ones are the New York Times, Washington Post and Boston Globe (IIRC).

The Washington Times is somewhat conservative.

Newspapers outside the East Coast are irrelvant, IMHO

	05-02-2003 16:13									#3
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Isn't the Washington Times owned by the Moon sect?

	05-02-2003 16:34									#4
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You mean the Unification Church?

	05-02-2003 17:20									#5
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You guys forgot the Wall Street Journal, probably the most influential conservative paper in America.

Could someone answer the same question for me, but in regards to British papers? Some jackass at works gets a lot of his information out of British papers and I can't remember which ones to trust and which ones not too...

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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger You mean the Unification Church?

I don't know of the UC but I am refering to that whacko Korean guy who arranges mass weddings. Same?

	05-02-2003 17:38									#7
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quote: I don't know of the UC but I am refering to that whacko Korean guy who arranges mass weddings. Same?

Yep.

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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Could someone answer the same question for me, but in regards to British papers? Some jackass at works gets a lot of his information out of British papers and I can't remember which ones to trust and which ones not too...

Ones to trust (the broadsheets):

The Times: slightly conserative
The Guardian: liberal
The Independent: What it says. A tad wishy-washy
The Observer: I forget, since I don't read it regularly

Ones to avoid (the tabloids)

The Sun: Populist
The Mirror: Ditto, but claims to be serious
The Daily Mail: AKA The Fascist Times. If this jackass at work quotes the Mail, laugh at him for a prolonged period of time. Then slap him across the face, hard. And laugh some more.

There are more papers (like the Financial Times), but at that point we start to get somewhat specialised.

	05-02-2003 19:47									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Paul Hanson There are more papers (like the Financial Times), but at that point we start to get somewhat specialised.

...you mean like the Daily Sport?

	05-02-2003 19:53									#10
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The Times,Telegraph,Guardian and independant are good papers, you just have to remember the politics of them when reading an article. If you remove the right wing slant form a Telegraph article you would get more or less the same info as if you removed the left wing slant form the Guardian.

	05-02-2003 19:58									#11
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I was just thinking about this last night. Here is a rough rundown of major US papers, along with my take on where they stand. I have only vague impressions of some of them, so other people who are more familiar should feel free to chime in. Categories are in order from liberal to conservative, and papers are roughly in order within categories. My criteria for liberal in this case is that I have never known this newspaper to endorse a republican for president. Similarly, I have never known conservative papers to endorse a democrat for president. Moderate papers have endorsed some of each.

Liberal:
Boston Globe (most liberal)
New York Times
Philadelphia Inquirer?
Washington Post

Moderate:
Detroit Free Press
Dallas Morning News
Cleveland Plain Dealer
Miami Hearld

Conservative:
Chicago Tribune (this might be the last entry in the moderate category on other grounds)
Atlanta Constitution
Wall Street Journal
Washington Times
Orange County (California) Register (most conservative)

	05-02-2003 20:35									#12
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quote: If this jackass at work quotes the Mail, laugh at him for a prolonged period of time. Then slap him across the face, hard. And laugh some more.

No, this guy quotes the Guardian most of the time, which sounds respectable. I'll just have to find some other reason to rationalize my dislike for him...

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OCR is sometimes closer to libertarian than conservative. Their editorial writer, Alan Bock, is a lib who's opposed to war in Iraq for instance (IIRC). It seems to me that anybody much to the right of the War Street Journal would be endorsing out-and-out Fascism.

Also, I think the WaPo's liberalism is more a reputation than reality. The Bush administration probably disagrees.

	05-02-2003 20:52									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten You guys forgot the Wall Street Journal, probably the most influential conservative paper in America. Could someone answer the same question for me, but in regards to British papers? Some jackass at works gets a lot of his information out of British papers and I can't remember which ones to trust and which ones not too...

The Times:
Read by the people who run the country.

Daily Mirror:
Read by the people who think they run the country.

Guardian:
Read by the people who think they ought to run the country.

Morning Star:
Read by the people who think the country ought to be run by another country.

Daily Mail:
Read by the wives of the people who own the country.

Financial Times:
Read by the people who own the country.

Daily Express:
Read by the people who think that the country ought to be run as it used to be.

Daily Telegraph:
Read by the people who think it still is.

The Sun:
Their readers don't care who runs the country as long as she has big tits.

	05-02-2003 20:55									#15
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Thanks Big Crunch.

	05-02-2003 20:58									#16
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Christian Science Monitor is supposed to have a pretty good reputation. It's not religious or anything, there was a thread about it a ways back.

I don't read it, but it is worth mentioning.

	05-02-2003 21:09									#17
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It's a shame that we can't have publically funded, objective news sources.

	05-02-2003 21:10									#18
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Atlanta Constitution

I think that would be moderate, left leaning wouldn't it?

	05-02-2003 21:15									#19
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Publicly funded wouldn't neccesarily be objective. America's political system has the unique ability to corrupt anything it touches.

Would you want to read the military newspapers? They're publicly funded. Right along with high school newspapers, which are often so heavily dominated by the religious right that they can't publish articles important to their readers.

You really should think long and hard about what you're wishing for Sava.

	05-02-2003 21:20									#20
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Public funding does equal objectivity. National Public Radio is a perfect example...

	05-02-2003 21:22									#21
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At least publical news sources have potential to be objective sources. Private owned news sources are completely biased in one way or another. I'd much rather have a handful of good public sources amongst a sea of biased public sources instead of all private sources with their own agendas.

I'm not saying make all of them public. Have them compete. I think the competition will force the private ones to clean up.

	05-02-2003 21:24									#22
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Chicago Tribune (conservative)
Chicago Sun Times (more liberal)


Thanks Big Crunch.

RAH

	05-02-2003 21:26									#23
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Sava: Ari Flescher (White House PR dude) is a public news source .

	05-02-2003 21:31									#24
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That quote from Big Crunch IIRC is from the TV series ( & books ) "Yes, Minister" & "Yes, Prime Minister" - quality political comedy indeed

The only thing I care about paper wise these days is the sports coverage, which the Daily Telegraph is the daddy of. News wise I get it all from the BBC or CNN web sites.