06-02-2003 04:01									#1
	Should the Unites States Withdraw From United Nations ? Enter the AD-FREE zone

Ummm, discuss.

	06-02-2003 04:07									#2
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I'd be more in favor of kicking France out.

	06-02-2003 04:12									#3
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why would the us withdraw?

	06-02-2003 04:13									#4
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No, it should be kicked out.

	06-02-2003 04:25									#5
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As worthless as it is now, without the US, it would be even worse.

	06-02-2003 04:46									#6
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Yes, and then kick the UN out of the US. Waste of space...

	06-02-2003 04:51									#7
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I'm American and I say get the hell out.

the UN is useless. utterly useless. reforms needed to salvage it would be time consuming and possibly shut down.

third times a charm.

	06-02-2003 05:00									#8
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If America goes against the UN and attacks Iraq, then it deserves to be kicked out. Sad days, indeed.

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quote: Originally posted by Sandman If America goes against the UN and attacks Iraq, then it deserves to be kicked out. Sad days, indeed.

"The United States acts bilaterally when it can, and unilaterally when it must"
-Janet Reno

(god, i hate that b1tch, but this tis true)

	06-02-2003 05:05									#10
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I don't understand why the US can attack Iraq and call it terrorism fight, and Russia cannot do the same with the whole world then

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hasn't the US refused to pay its dues to the UN?

surely not paying its share isnt going to help things...

	06-02-2003 05:09									#12
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Withdrawing from an organization dedicated to diplomatic solutions would be retarded. But hey, its a great way to make the rest of the world hate us even more!

	06-02-2003 05:09									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Demerzel hasn't the US refused to pay its dues to the UN? surely not paying its share isnt going to help things...

i didn't hear about that, but technically with all our aid, we're paying for ALL the memberships of ALL the countries in one way or another

	06-02-2003 05:16									#14
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The UN is the underlying basis for things such as the NPT, the WTO, the WHO, the IMF, the convention of biological and chemical weapons,so forth and so on. If the US wants to leave the UN, then it can begin to kiss all those things goodbye. Anyone here who wants a world free of all those things, go ahead and ask for the US to leave the UN.

After all, who needs well regulated trade, a halt to proliferation of WMD, and international heath innitiatives? What did they ever get us?

	06-02-2003 05:33									#15
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Bush is catching hell from peple aboutt Iraq, for instance.
If we're going to catch hell, I'm thinking maybe it should be for things we actually do, rather than taking blame for what was supposed to be a collective effort.

People like Chegitz, who are internal problems, are really not that much of a problem.
I was curious though about how the US view would compare with non-USA views.

I'm beginning to think out, but have not voted yet.

	06-02-2003 05:41									#16
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We should leave, because it holds us back. Its as simple as that. Nothing makes that more appearant than this current fiasco.

	06-02-2003 05:46									#17
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hELLO? Are you Americans on planet earth?

If China wanted to invade Taiwan do you think it would be okay for them to do that if they withdrew from the UN?

You should be proud of the UN. Its an institution the US set up and it has worked very well. Most of the criticism of the UN is just pig ignorance from people who have no idea what the UN does - eradicated small pox from the planet for one thing, keeps refugees alive for another. The UN Security Council is only a very small part of what the UN system is or does.

You made an umpire and when you don't like the umpire's decision you leave? Grow up.

The UN system isn't perfect but if we lose the UN we're back to the law of the jungle that gave the world WWI and WWII. I can't see how that could be in anyone's interests.

	06-02-2003 05:48									#18
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Don't trample too hard on the abject ignorance of so many people here AH.If you take that away, what do they have left?

	06-02-2003 05:48									#19
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*cough*League of Nations*cough*

	06-02-2003 05:50									#20
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I understand that a lot of people (Americans, mostly) are unhappy with the bureaucratic approach of the U.N., but I think you guys leaving would be a bad scene.

If you don't like how it works, try and change it. Alot of people don't like that Bush won the election, but that doesn't mean they give up on American democracy.

	06-02-2003 05:52									#21
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Beat me to it Frozzy.

Nukes have ended major wars, not the UN. Nice rant though AH. I'll give it a 9.5.

	06-02-2003 05:53									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Frozzy *cough*League of Nations*cough*

Right. And does anyone here know why the League of Nations failed and why the United Nations works?

	06-02-2003 05:55									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer Beat me to it Frozzy. Nukes have ended major wars, not the UN. Nice rant though AH. I'll give it a 9.5.

Like most ordinary Americans, what you know about international affairs could be written on the back of a postage stamp. I believe the word is "squat".

	06-02-2003 05:57									#24
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand People like Chegitz, who are internal problems,

And proud of it. And don't you discount me yet, longhorn. We commies can cause lotsa trouble for you warmongers. We did in Vietnam and the proxy wars in Central America. If your war lasts too long, we'll destablize the whole country.

	06-02-2003 05:58									#25
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It's amazing what they can put on the back of a postage stamp these days.

	06-02-2003 06:00									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Right. And does anyone here know why the League of Nations failed and why the United Nations works?

Because they both lack real power to compel states to do anything?

	06-02-2003 06:01									#27
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quote: If your war lasts too long, we'll destablize the whole country.

Well, I hate communism, so keep your revolution away from me and don't **** with my rights and it's all good.

	06-02-2003 06:01									#28
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If nukes stop wars, then every state and every group should have nukes, NO? After all, nukes equal peace.....

AH: if Americans are utterly ignorant of so many things the UN does it is beacue they live so far away from the areas in which the great difference is made. It would be nice for the WHO to collapse though, then in a few decades, some god-awefull disease comes to life somewehre, someone with it travels to the US and elsewhere and then Bamm, new pandemic kills millions...maybe then these spolied little brats calling for the end of the UN will get to see the reality of the wolrd and that there are copnsequences to petulence and acting like a child.

Thankfully though, such abjectly moronic notions will always fail: after all, as Che would say, the government is run by corporate business interests, and most rich business men know how much a stable world means to their pocket book.

	06-02-2003 06:02									#29
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You'll be the first against the wall, DF. Or so che has said.

	06-02-2003 06:05									#30
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Must we wait for the revolution to hang all the libertarians? Why?