06-02-2003 16:56									#1
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Could you find out what happened? Why are they delaying this turn so much? Are they having problems (with other teams) ? Is it an important decision/poll (war?) ?

Or they've just had some technical problems (no one who plays the game available, etc)

Com'on, you're our best spy, find out

	06-02-2003 17:05									#2
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I am almost sure RPers got drawn into the war. I talked to Nimitz briefly yesterday, just hours before he planned to approach them with our Lighthouse proposal. As he hasn't come back to report the result of his mission, I am quite sure there were no negotiations held at all. It seems that RPers are now quite busy with more important affairs...

I have seen Arnelos posting in other threads, so it is hardly any technical problem.

	06-02-2003 17:12									#3
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I want to know about the WAR

Perhaps Trip and/or ND proposed them an alliance against GoW. Aargghhh, I want to see the war!

	06-02-2003 21:52									#4
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Still no word back from GoW... which makes me think we probably won't be hearing anything from them anytime soon...

Yes, I want to see the war too!

	07-02-2003 14:20									#6
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I agree, would be very interesting to find out what is going on, and more importantly, who is winning!

	07-02-2003 14:35									#7
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I took this from a public forum.

GhegisFarb talking to Trip:

quote: So, your team's poll and subsequent Declaration of War on GoW isn't of importance.............. Mark my words, we WILL LIBERATE the remnants of the settler you enslaved from us

It might be one of Ghengis Farb's bluffings, but who knows ?

	07-02-2003 17:51									#8
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Or it could be the public overflowing of tension, created by a couple of bored teams who want to get into the game early

While the humble servants of the Legoland people get on with building a bigger and more powerful empire

	07-02-2003 18:50									#9
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There must be something going on! The ND wouldn't hold so long the save without a good reason. They always play fast their turn.

	07-02-2003 19:31									#10
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I have exchanged a couple of emails with Hot Enamel of GoW today... here are two excerpts from what he wrote:

As for info on our boards...................
I will share if you will share.

Rumor has it that Lego has a whole continent...
While ours has erupted into political bum fight.

How the hell this game squeezed 4 civs on our continent is amazing. And 3 of those four squeezed even further to share the top half.

A lot of discussion about war......ND is the largest (they popped a free settler) and because of this, looks like they will be the unlucky nation to be wiped out of the game first.

[...]

There is not enough room for 3 teams in the North of our continent.
It is the only place to find good land, and we are all expanding in the same
direction.

I know my team would be interested in sending a suicide galley.
If we align them propery, we may be able to meet.

Something to think about.....

I thought I would share this info with you. It indirectly suggests that RPers will be forced to go into war sooner or later, to assist ND, helping them to survive... in this light, our GLh deal seems to be unlikely to get signed.

	07-02-2003 19:40									#11
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Interesting info Radek, thanks. I wonder if we manage to contact those civs, should we help someone in particular (with tech exchange, I mean) or just wait to see who is wiped out. I'm wondering how the alliances are shaping. No one seems to love ND, but neither the GoW.

Let's wait and see. In the meantime, REX as fast as possible. The others might become desperate enough to send galleys with settlers in them, hoping to win some space.

One more quick thought about REXing. We can expand also with the help of temples (or other cultural improvements), growing our cultural borders.

Edit: Maybe exactly because of this lack of space and possibility of war, the RPs will push their LH project. However, I'm starting to doubt that they will accept the "no-settlings" clause.

	07-02-2003 19:44									#12
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What did you tell them about us?

	07-02-2003 19:48									#13
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Further thoughts: so we now know exactly that there are 4 civs on that continent (probably a big one). If there is one more continent, the GS and Voxes are there (I doubt there could be 2 other continents).

	07-02-2003 19:53									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Tiberius What did you tell them about us?

The rumour is correct in that we haven't met anyone else yet, despite some serious efforts, and are stuck alone (currently, we have nowhere we would believe could be a landbridge or at least a shallow water passage to others). So far, we do have room to expand, being a bit lucky with no opposition but LOADS of barbarians, but fear falling behind tech-wise (currently researching Map Making in order to try getting across water to someone else ASAP... but as it seems we are unlikely to be able to build the Great Lighthouse and galleys might not be enough to reach another team). Also, there is much jungle and desert here... good city sites are not plentiful... :-( Hopefully, we are industrious and clearing jungle takes "only" a lot of time, but not forever.

[...]

Yep, I have looked at the minimaps and your (south)western coast seems to be close to our northeastern coast - like one or two lucky galley hops. I will tell others and once we are actually able to try contacting you (still a long way to Map Making), I will get back either to you or tell ZargonX, our ambassador, to make the proposal.

I hope you, guys, do not think I lied...
I did my best to give them information that would be true, while not helping them to understand our situation very accurately...

	07-02-2003 20:07									#15
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It is amazing that 3 civs are stuck on 1 continent and we have all of Legoland to ourselves. As stated previously we must REX like crazy, but maintain our defensive army.

Once things settle down overthere (in a few hundred years), the remaining civs will surely team together against our might empire.

	07-02-2003 20:51									#16
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I'll talk to RP right away I have been unable to use the computer for a little while but I'm back.

	07-02-2003 22:43									#17
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quote: It is amazing that 3 civs are stuck on 1 continent and we have all of Legoland to ourselves. As stated previously we must REX like crazy, but maintain our defensive army.

I think something is seriously screwed up with the MPs civ-placement randomizer. I was playing a hot-seat game with some friends last night, continents, 60% water, and the map was crazy. I started on the right-side giant contitnent, with 5 other civs. My friend started on the left-side giant continent, completely alone. He had a landmass about double the size of our current one to run wild in. My other friend started on, literally, a 10x15 tundra island ringed with mountains in the far, far corner of the map. There were two grassland spaces on the entire thing. Just thought I'd share that story as an example of how bizzare the system is...

	08-02-2003 05:32									#18
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This quote somewhat alarms me:

quote: Rumor has it that Lego has a whole continent...

How did they find out that we have an entire continent? Certainly we have been keeping that a closely guarded secret?

I agree with lmtoops - they may be at war now, but as our score grows higher and higher due primarily to our increasing territory - eventually the eastern continent will unite against us.

Thank goodness that in Civ 3 they don't show the first place scores for each category in the Demographics screen like in Civ 2 as our increasing "land size" would betray us - as it is we are #1 now and have been that for most of the game and are very likely to continue to be #1 and since territory is the major component in the score, we will likely be #1 for a long time and thus will have a giant target on our back...

I am guessing that we have no longer than until 1 AD to settle our area. We should be emphasizing REXing and as well as infrastructure. Once one other civ finds us, the word will probably spread about how big our area actually is and will probably lead to war against us. We should be preparing ourselves for that eventuality as well.

My suggestion would be to spread the word around to the other civs that we are starting to have to build cities in less than ideal positions and are having to start clearing jungle. Both of these are true, despite also being exagerations as well. Perhaps that might leave them with the impression that our area isn't as big as it really is.

	08-02-2003 06:04									#19
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I don't know how the rumor got started, but seeing as we don't have contact with anyone yet, it makes logical sense to think we're on our own continent.

I agree, we need to REX like mad to make sure we get the continent. It would be great if no one was able to establish a foothold in Legoland.

	08-02-2003 23:49									#20
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They know we have our own continent because we just told them........

	10-02-2003 00:43									#21
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Wow, I didn't even know there was a war going on. I'm curious on whether the RPers will prefer GoW (as per early diplomacy) or if they'll be on the side with the most powerful.

Re the poor civ placement : I think it is a problem in PtW as a whole.

	10-02-2003 03:43									#22
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I think there is no war yet, but I'm not sure.

	10-02-2003 18:48									#23
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Just spotted this in one of the ISDG threads.

quote: Originally posted by Hot_Enamel I shall share some info about the GOW team..... We used our capitals warrior to scout some fogged area behind us....leaving the city undefended for a few rounds. Lux just happened to choose this time to invade our borders. We had no way of pop rushing a defender, or rushing our warrior back. Lux had us ... we were screwed. But our negotiators came through and saved the day. This has happened to me more than once on other PBEM games. No more than 1 warrior/scout for exploration. The next one is for defense.

It says a lot about what happened. I wonder if GhengisFarb is going to execute the poor guy for leaking such an information.

EDIT: and considering this, there is absolutely no possibility that GoW would be going against Luxes now. If it was the case, Luxes would have already indicated what happened, making GoW look like ungrateful bastards. GoW and LI are after ND, period. Can't be anything else... redstar, you may wish to relay this information to Borc, as he is not able to learn it on his own... the information has been posted in a private ISDG Poly team forum.

	10-02-2003 20:31									#24
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Interesting news... I shall mention it to Borc...

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Now, what are ND building? Their capital is already size 5. The best guess would be: units. That's a no-brainer. Or barracks and units.

No other big cities in top5, so we can sleep from this point of view, probably no one is building a wonder. The question is: from the other cities, is there any
building a great wonder? I hope not.