08-02-2003 09:38									#1
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What is the other games you people play, I have been looking for a replacement game that can hold my interest that is multiplayer strategy game. Any suggestions... seriously...

	08-02-2003 10:44									#2
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Civ II

	09-02-2003 02:11									#3
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as of yet, there isn't one...most games i play keep my interest for a short period of time, and my time is limited to one game for the internet, and i choose civ2

	11-02-2003 04:18									#4
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I bet you'll get a different answer on every forum here, Civ2MP in this case,...however.....other options exist....

If you're looking a for a civ like MP game why not try out Freeciv? Sort of a Civ2MP-Pro with special micro management functions and perfect for MP. You can also play SP but it shines in MP. Plus it also keeps complete records of MP games played on the civserver. Similar to the original Civ1 endgame system. So afterwards you can show off your "victories" with a glass of brandy.

Here's one of mine as William the Conqueror
http://pubserver.freeciv.org/viewgame.phtml?game=85073

Last edited by CapTVK on 11-02-2003 at 04:35

	13-02-2003 10:02									#5
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Freeciv eh? sounds interesting, I shall investigate further.

I also have been looking for some new MP strat game. I looked into all this MOO3 hoo-ha a couple of weeks ago... should I be excited?

	13-02-2003 10:41									#6
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no probably not.....its hard to make a real good long term mp game....

it has to appeal to the player through all stages of the game...

many games are over quickly etc, or have time limits...they appeal to players b/c of the quick fix appeal.

matching your opponent wit for wit, hour for hour, day over day.....is difficult to do

	13-02-2003 12:19									#7
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Obviously there is no comparison in complexity but if I only have half an hour to play something I play online Risk at www.dominategame.com

	13-02-2003 15:18									#8
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quote: Originally posted by CapTVK If you're looking a for a civ like MP game why not try out Freeciv?

I wondered how long it would take.

Tbh Strat not many TBS games have a large MP following, and Civ2 is the best anyway.

If you are willing to branch out a little take a look at Utopia (which I think Mr4ever used to play a bit), and maybe tactical combat games such as Medieval Total War might amuse you for a while.

	13-02-2003 16:17									#9
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I just gave Civ3 another go after a year and lasted 30 mins. I find it so irritating.

At least it ran properly on my latest PC. A year ago it was unplayable on the old PIII.

Where do you go to find players to set up a freeciv game?

Here?

	13-02-2003 20:56									#10
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AoE2

	13-02-2003 21:03									#11
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quote: Originally posted by ColdWizard AoE2

I think if it were to go that route you should play Age of Mythology not Age of Empires 2. For RTS Warcraft 3 is best though IMO.

	13-02-2003 21:06									#12
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AoE2 is cheaper and has low sys reqs.

WC3 just sucks

	13-02-2003 21:12									#13
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You don't like WC3?

Traditionally I have despised RTS........but they are getting better. Despite that I couldn't finish AOM SP (one of the best RTS's) without getting too bored.

However with WC3 the SP game was excellent, with varied missions and varied races, as well as a cool story linking them all together. MP is also very well organised.

	13-02-2003 21:15									#14
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i tried it out very briefly and got stomped. i suck at RTS and tend to not like it as a result

	13-02-2003 21:50									#15
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But you like Civ?

	13-02-2003 21:57									#16
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yes, in civ i can pound the AI in SP, unlike in RTS

	13-02-2003 22:32									#17
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Well the Civ AI seemed fearsome at one point (albeit a long long time ago). It's the same with any game, once you get the basics down the AI can be mashed with ease.

	14-02-2003 00:05									#18
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i never did get the hang of StarCraft despite many hours of trying, but i can manage AoE2 so far (easiest level was too easy)

	14-02-2003 01:11									#19
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quote: Originally posted by deity I just gave Civ3 another go after a year and lasted 30 mins. I find it so irritating. At least it ran properly on my latest PC. A year ago it was unplayable on the old PIII. Where do you go to find players to set up a freeciv game? Here?

While you can set up your own private MP games the easiest way to do Freeciv MP is via the Metaserver. Choose "join game" from the start menu and select the "Metaserver"-tab. After the update you'll see a list of the games in progress or waiting for players. Just join one of the games in the setup phase. (be sure to check the version, 1.14 in the current case!) and wait for other players to show up. Hey, people attend to attract people.

Or use this forum to snag a few more...

	14-02-2003 02:08									#20
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is there lag problems with free civ? i remember there being little diplomacy ?

	14-02-2003 02:42									#21
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quote: Originally posted by War4ever is there lag problems with free civ? i remember there being little diplomacy ?

Freeciv is optimized for lag problems thanks to the server-client model. A poor connection won't affect the game speed too much because the client interface is seperated from the server. Whatever the connection, the games keeps on running. But lag can't be eliminated completely when you allow game observers to view the game but not participate (aka "dead players").


As for the aspects of diplomacy, there is diplomacy in the game. In MP but not in SP (at least not just yet). You can make peace/war and offer alliances etc..with human players in MP but not with the AI (which basically hates your guts and will go to war once it sees a good opportunity).


Here's a screenshot of the diplo interface in the windows client:

	14-02-2003 02:49									#22
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I like the idea of being able to watch games, both whilst they're playing and afterwards if I understood what you said earlier. It is my experience that strategies in games where there are copious amounts of replays of good players to watch progress/evolve much quicker than when this is not the case.

	14-02-2003 02:57									#23
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Dr Spike

You should check out the civserver then. All recorded MP games are stored there.

And my own current game? Well, i'm in the process of getting my ass kicked by someone from Italy.

quote: Players:9 Min players:5 Max players:9 Timeout:40 Year: 3300 BC NO: NAME: HOST: ---------------------------------------- 0 CapTVK xs195-241-199-82.dial.tiscali.nl 1 Hammurabi port-212-202-187-195.reverse.qdsl-home.de 2 Fredo parrothead.nrlssc.navy.mil 3 Livia ASt-Lambert-104-1-2-68.abo.wanadoo.fr 4 Akel stal-gw.stallion.ee 5 Jan (tm) pD95870D0.dip.t-dialin.net 6 late_joiner_join_here AToulouse-105-1-10-175.abo.wanadoo.fr 7 ai ---.---.---.--- 8 tv ---.---.---.---

I'll post the link once the game is finished, won't be long now...

	14-02-2003 03:09									#24
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This is the link, at the moment it's still running:

http://pubserver.freeciv.org/viewgame.phtml?game=85867

	14-02-2003 03:38									#25
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Fredo parrothead.nrlssc.navy.mil

Who does he think he is!!

	14-02-2003 03:53									#26
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Isn't imitation a sign of flattery?

	14-02-2003 03:54									#27
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The game is finished now, you can now review the game. The gamelog provides exact details:

http://pubserver.freeciv.org/gamelo...e=85867#Koreans


Oh well, 16 points is better than nothing.

	14-02-2003 06:06									#28
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i thought deity was the only parrot......