08-02-2003 21:18									#1
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I founded this article somewhere on the net, and I founded it pretty interesting, especially considering that many of the things this article talks about can be easily find in this forum as well.

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/16059

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	08-02-2003 22:38									#2
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We aren't anti-Eurocom. Anti-French, maybe but not anti-european.

	08-02-2003 23:47									#3
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Good article.

I think the major difference between anti-Americanism and anti-Europeanism is that Americans don't seem to have the virulent hate for Europe that many Euros have for America. Americans just pity Europe for what it has become...

BTW, EUnuch is my new favorite word.

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It's a left right thing. Leftists in Europe attack the U.S. since it is the most visable symbol of the political right while American rightists attack Europe for being the most visable symbol of the left.

Most people don't give a **** except to make the odd joke.

	08-02-2003 23:59									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Good article. I think the major difference between anti-Americanism and anti-Europeanism is that Americans don't seem to have the virulent hate for Europe that many Euros have for America. Americans just pity Europe for what it has become... BTW, EUnuch is my new favorite word.

Of course Americans aren't going to care about Europeans as much as Europeans do America.

Remembering, America is being far more active in its policies that Europe - should the EU invade Israel, for example, though, then I'm sure you'd find just as many Americans hating Europe.

And if you don't think the pity is mutual then you're obsenely ignorant.

	09-02-2003 00:11									#6
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For your sake, I hope you're not stupid enough to attack a nuclear power.

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At least we´re going to invade the really tough guys

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quote: Originally posted by Azazel For your sake, I hope you're not stupid enough to attack a nuclear power.

Would you like every country in the world to declare an EMBARGO?

Though after seeing how much the Israelis improved an American shuttle, I shutter to think....Missiles going the speed of light?!

	09-02-2003 00:18									#9
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quote: I think the major difference between anti-Americanism and anti-Europeanism is that Americans don't seem to have the virulent hate for Europe that many Euros have for America

If it weren't for Bush there wouldn't be any virulent hate here. Replace Bush with a more savvy and likeable character as President and we would be on much better terms.

	09-02-2003 00:18									#10
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quote: Remembering, America is being far more active in its policies that Europe - should the EU invade Israel, for example, though, then I'm sure you'd find just as many Americans hating Europe.

Americans would probably respect Europe more if you guys got off your asses and actually backed up your whining. Americans respect action, not words, which is why Europe has lost respect.

quote: And if you don't think the pity is mutual then you're obsenely ignorant.

How can a European pity America? We haven't dropped off the face of the earth, influence-wise...

	09-02-2003 00:20									#11
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quote: Would you like every country in the world to declare an EMBARGO?

in either case, we wouldn't be able to sink lower than the Russian Federation.

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quote: Originally posted by Azazel in either case, we wouldn't be able to sink lower than the Russian Federation. ( )

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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Americans would probably respect Europe more if you guys got off your asses and actually backed up your whining. Americans respect action, not words, which is why Europe has lost respect.

And Europeans would prbably respect America more if you used your brains and actually tried using diplomacy instead of war.
Europeans respect intelligent, rational decision making, which is why America has lost respect.

quote: How can a European pity America? We haven't dropped off the face of the earth, influence-wise...

Nope, but to most Europeans, you have culturally and intellectually, which are values held in much greater regard than power.

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sad isn't it?

	09-02-2003 00:27									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel sad isn't it?

The Russian economy is beginning to go up and fix the damage done by Yeltsin. Do not worry

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quote: Originally posted by Azazel in either case, we wouldn't be able to sink lower than the Russian Federation. ( )

Now, now. The Russian economy has grown so fast it has almost become the same size as say... Denmark.

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quote: Originally posted by Azazel in either case, we wouldn't be able to sink lower than the Russian Federation.

Few countries can.

quote: Nope, but to most Europeans, you have culturally and intellectually, which are values held in much greater regard than power.

The day Europeans stop going to American films in large numbers is the day that I'll start to take these type of pronouncements seriously.

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You know, it wasn't always like this.

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quote: Originally posted by red_jon pect intelligent, rational decision making, which is why America has lost respect.

If Euros don't respect America then why does the majority want to dress like us, listen to our music, watch our movies, buy our food, and generally become just like us?

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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc quote: Nope, but to most Europeans, you have culturally and intellectually, which are values held in much greater regard than power. The day Europeans stop going to American films in large numbers is the day that I'll start to take these type of pronouncements seriously.

I don't believe this statement - it's as ridiculous as saying that Europe has no international power. Both are arguments used by extreme reactionaries on both sides.

	09-02-2003 00:35									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin If Euros don't respect America then why does the majority want to dress like us, listen to our music, watch our movies, buy our food, and generally become just like us?

Like Americans don't want European clothes, music, films and food?

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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin If Euros don't respect America then why does the majority want to dress like us, listen to our music, watch our movies, buy our food, and generally become just like us?

uh?... I'm sorry, I went to the US and (at least comparing Italians to Americans) I didn't notice that many similarities in dressing, food is completely different, music we listen also to English, German, Franch, Italian, Spanish, etc.. and of course American music too, but not just that.

Movies: look at music.

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This is probably one of the thing for what I can be considered an "anti-American" because I really don't like the fact that many Americans believe that the others are desperatly trying to copy them and become like them

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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin (...) buy our food (...)

We can discuss about the other things, but what food?

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quote: And Europeans would prbably respect America more if you used your brains and actually tried using diplomacy instead of war. Europeans respect intelligent, rational decision making, which is why America has lost respect.

The sad thing is that this is actually true. Euros accuse America of unintelligent, irrational decision-making, but they always want America to take care of problems that European diplomacy-only policy can't solve. Who are the unintelligent ones here? I think Bosnia showed just how wrong the European view of international politics is...

	09-02-2003 00:45									#25
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quote: Originally posted by BeBro We can discuss about the other things, but what food?

Whine all you want but the fast food restaurants are always packed. Sure the food is crap but you guys keep on super sizing.

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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Whine all you want but the fast food restaurants are always packed. Sure the food is crap but you guys keep on super sizing.

No they aren't, and no we aren't.

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quote: Originally posted by BeBro We can discuss about the other things, but what food?

Coke?

	09-02-2003 00:49									#28
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This is an evil US plot to poison us Euros with hamburgers...

BTW, some wines from the US I tried are great, but the fast food can only count as bioweapon

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Fast food restaurants are far from packed down here...

Here in Italy we enjoy eating a good quality, and slow meal rather than a crappy hamcheesebigfatsuperburger at McDonald

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quote: If Euros don't respect America then why does the majority want to dress like us, listen to our music, watch our movies, buy our food, and generally become just like us?

I concur with Giovanni. US cultural imperialism has run it's course. Just what is a corn dog? Does 'cookie dough' actually exist?

quote: I think Bosnia showed just how wrong the European view of international politics is...

Yeah, we thought the US would actually honour arms embargoes.