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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
time: 05:25
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I'd probably vote for a moderate Democrat to stop a war, but I draw the line at extreme leftists, those who want to increase taxes, things of that nature.
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
time: 05:25
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So would this type of candidate be agreeable to all of us third party types?
-Libertarian w/ realistic economic policy (to include large tax cuts, eventually reducing taxes to almost nothing over a period of time)
-Supports reasonable anti-pollution laws
-Is against any war except obvious self defense
Orange, che - would y'all support this candidate? I would.
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
time: 05:25
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Look, guys, the point isn't that you are Libertarians, the point is that I'm trying to present the most moderate possible Libertarian in an attempt to get support from Greens and independents and socialists/communists and some Republicans/Democrats as a way to get a third voice in the political mix. The LP is the only party with a chance for this, I think, so it only makes sense.
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
time: 05:25
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*shrug* I already said I'd vote for Nader over Bush. But in the US, parties that appear to be right-wing, or are generally seen as right wing, do better. That's why Libertarians, who are seen as more right wing than Greens, would stand a much better chance.
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
time: 05:25
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Libertarians are in no way conservative. Certainly, they agree with conservatives in some areas, such as gun ownership and their opposition to welfare and such, yet Libertarians also want separation of church and state, unfettered free trade, miniscule militaries, legalized drugs, lowered age of consent, and withdrawal of the military from overseas bases. In what way are Libertarians conservative, again?
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Bereta_Eder
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quote:
Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Democratic governments that support US aggression do so at their own peril, especially if the war goes badly (however that is defined). Blair is putting his head on the chopping block. Chirac, a Conservative, is leading the oppostion in Europe. How many governments will be voted out for their support of US war-mongering?
Ninty percent of the population of the world is opposed to the U.S. aggression against Iraq (Osama bin Laden has succeeded in at least one of his goals). Most countries are opposed, with the exception of Israel and Kuwait, the majority populations in every other country are opposed to war without UN approval (including the United States).
What is the world prepared to do to stop us? War is out of the question (except in North Korea, which is completely out of touch with reality). What about sanctions? What if the opposed governments of the world threatened to impose sanctions against the US if the US attacked without UN approval? Maybe Europe could throw us out of NATO (it would never happen).
The world has a duty to stop the United States. While I don't wish war upon any people, especially my own, there are other methods of forcing our Hitler from invading Czechoslavakia.
Stand up to us, damnit! Stop us before we kill again. |
Well, we try d'uh!
Watcha you think we're doing?
For the record: our governments try to stop you not because of the kindness of their hearts but because of interests.
The people of those countries though, and also of those whose govs are pro-war, are anti-war.
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Bereta_Eder
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And there's no question of starting an embargo against the US.
You serve our interests good. That's the hypocricy of the whole thing, see.
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Capt Dizle
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I think you are all a bunch of idiots.
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Jon Miller
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quote:
Originally posted by chegitz guevara
The first step towards a working democracy are clean election laws and public financing of elections, two things which strike at the heart of libertarian ideals. This is your achillies heel. |
I agree, those two things are neccesary
Jon Miller
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Bereta_Eder
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quote:
Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Because the rest of the world refuses to stop us, so we have to stop ourselves. |
That is crazy.
What do you want us to do?
Close all US bases in Europe?
Arrest all american personel?
These things are utter fantasy.
Best thing that can be done is engage you in multilateralism and try to screw you over there. (your pro war policies I mean).
Also on top of the agenda is don't participate so that US a gov. will pay the whole bill since it wants supremacy in the region anbd the country with the 2nd largest oil reserves on its soil.
Do you know who payed for the last war the most?
Japan
Germany
Saudi Arabia
and laaaast on the list was the US.
Can't blame the Germans for not wanting to throw away bils of dollars again.
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Zylka
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Originally posted by Gatekeeper
Good grief, Zylka.
If you're trying to convey the message that this thread is yet another "crab and whine about America" thread, I'm sure the message has been conveyed by now.
Gatekeeper |
Oh, that will do quite fine as an explanation I guess
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