09-02-2003 05:05									#1
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I just did an apt-get dist-upgrade in hopes of it downloading GNOME 2.2 for me. When I came back after it finished, I found out it removed KDE 3.1 for some unknown reason.

So when I rebooted I went into XFCE or some other god-awful window environment since now I don't have KDE or Gnome.

So I made sure my sources.list pointed to all of the correct kde.org (for 3.1) and all of the debian.org servers, did an apt-get update, then tried apt-get dist-upgrade again. It listed a whole bunch of packages to install. But about 10% into the install it ALWAYS bails saying missing dependencies. So I try to remove those packages altogether, then it tells me I can't do that because it's missing dependencies (wtf?). I thought apt-get was supposed to spare me those headaches?

So now it won't let me install KDE, it won't let me install Gnome, and it won't let me upgrade anything else since it's whining about missing dependencies (something to do with gtk?), and it won't let me install those dependencies since it's missing dependencies...

All of this because apt-get thought it'd be a good idea to remove KDE 3.1 in an upgrade.

Anyone know...?

	09-02-2003 05:06									#2
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1. Reformat

2. Install XP or FreeBSD

	09-02-2003 05:09									#3
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I have Windows XP, Ted, you know me.

I have Linux because I need a *nix environment at home for homework (otherwise I'd be forced to stay at school at all hours of the night ).

I would install FreeBSD but it's even worse on the desktop than Linux is.

	09-02-2003 05:11									#4
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Ya, I agree with you on all those counts Asher.

You are pretty sensible when it comes what is the best OS for what you need to get done.

	09-02-2003 05:12									#5
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Hey what distro are you using?

	09-02-2003 05:13									#6
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Libranet, it's basically a repackaged Debian with a nicer installer.

	09-02-2003 05:15									#7
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I would copy and paste the specific package errors, but the concept of a clipboard is too advanced for this window manager.

	09-02-2003 05:24									#8
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Damn, no easy answer on this one.

This is far worse than .dll hell.

What's the name of that Red Hat tool (don't think Red Hat makes it) that helps you resolve dependency issues? Does it work for Debian?

Damn I wish I remember the name of that...

	09-02-2003 05:25									#9
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I'm not using the rpms like Red Hat uses, I'm using .deb packages and apt-get/aptitude for Debian which was up to this point way easier than rpms ever were in terms of dependencies.

It's just that for some reason it purged KDE, refuses to install Gnome, and is now coughing on GTK stuff...

	09-02-2003 05:41									#10
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Ah, yuck, I have had GTK problems with X Windows Managers a few times actually.

Those are rough. After a couple of days of fighting in circles I just did a fresh install.

	09-02-2003 05:45									#11
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I got KDE3.1 reinstalled.

The process was entirely haphazard.

For some reason, "aptitude" would let me remove those packages screwing up upgrade installs. So I used that to remove it. But "aptitude" wouldn't upgrade properly, but "apt-get" would. Through about 10 upgrade attempts, I finally could do an "apt-get install kdebase". "apt-get install kde" won't work, it says I don't meet its requirements, but kdebase installed and all the other kde packages with it, and I'm now in KDE.

Next step is to fix Gnome...
It won't let me install gnome still.

	09-02-2003 09:09									#12
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Aren't you happy that *nix separates the windows manager from the operating system? If Explorer got wiped by Windows, you're SOL.

	09-02-2003 09:14									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Aren't you happy that *nix separates the windows manager from the operating system? If Explorer got wiped by Windows, you're SOL.

I'm certainly not happy *nix separates the windows manager from the OS, because when it's part of the OS, it ensures Explorer DOESN'T get wiped.

Not to mention the latency problems of having the GUI be a tacked on addition rather than built-in component.

If Explorer crashes, all you gotta do is type CTRL-ALT-DEL, File->New Task, and type in Explorer, then hit enter. You don't lose the programs you had running or anything, it just takes a couple seconds to reload explorer.

NT3 was the last time that the GUI was seperate from the OS, they've since moved on to more advanced methods.

	09-02-2003 16:05									#14
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quote: So when I rebooted I went into XFCE or some other god-awful window environment since now I don't have KDE or Gnome.

I think it was twm, but that doesn't really matter...

Anyhoo, for your problems... try "apt-get -f install". It should try to fix your Debian install packagewise. It might also believe that to fix anything it needs to remove KDE again, so if apt-get has a "pretend only" flag, use it first. If it only gives you a list of packages to install and doesn't try to remove anything, it should be safe.

quote: For some reason, "aptitude" would let me remove those packages screwing up upgrade installs. So I used that to remove it. But "aptitude" wouldn't upgrade properly, but "apt-get" would. Through about 10 upgrade attempts, I finally could do an "apt-get install kdebase". "apt-get install kde" won't work, it says I don't meet its requirements, but kdebase installed and all the other kde packages with it, and I'm now in KDE.

When I last used Debian, the different apt front-ends didn't automatically keep their package lists in sync - that is, if I used apt-get to install a package and then wanted to run dselect, I'd have to run "dselect update" first. This behaviour is probably still not changed.

As for Gnome and GTK, I can't tell much without the exact error messages you got...

	09-02-2003 16:08									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Ari Rahikkala I think it was twm, but that doesn't really matter... Anyhoo, for your problems... try "apt-get -f install". It should try to fix your Debian install packagewise. It might also believe that to fix anything it needs to remove KDE again, so if apt-get has a "pretend only" flag, use it first. If it only gives you a list of packages to install and doesn't try to remove anything, it should be safe.

I did try apt-get -f install, because it said to try that when the installs bailed, but that didn't help either.

quote: As for Gnome and GTK, I can't tell much without the exact error messages you got...

Gnome says it requires a module that won't be installed (gnome-core I think). When I try to install gnome-core myself, it tells me that it requires a module that won't be installed, etc. At the end of the loop it ends up being some "libgstreamer" which "is in the database but not available" which prevents me from updating anything gnome related.

	09-02-2003 16:28									#16
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SOunds like you are using the unstable distribution and unofficial sources - You should know what you are doing or be prepared for trouble in that case.

Possibly the problem right now is that debian is in a transition from gcc2.95 to gcc3.2 (which has an incompatible ABI). So various parts of the unstable distribution depend on conflicting versions of system libraries, and can't be installed at the same time.

Be carefull about using apt-get dist-upgrade. It will happily remove various essential packages. Rather, use "apt-get upgrade" which will only touch the parts which it is possible to upgrade without removing other parts, and then install the packages which "apt-get upgrade" says it is holding back one at at time with "apt-get install", evaluating each time if you are doing something bad like removing gnome.

	09-02-2003 18:43									#17
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apt-get dist-upgrade ?!? Well thats asking for trouble...

Why do you mess around with unstable when you don't know what you are doing?