09-02-2003 07:34									#1
	Does the Iron Works Cause Pollution ? Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Anyone know the answer to that ?

Thanks.

	09-02-2003 08:01									#2
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I think yeah. It raises production. More production = more pollution.

	09-02-2003 09:20									#3
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I don't think so, but I think it should be tested.

However, NEVER restrict yourself from building the IW because it woudl create pollution. In fact, if you get a site, you might even consider moving the palace near it, if conditions allow it...

--Kon--

	09-02-2003 09:32									#4
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yes, 4, the most pollution in the game.

	09-02-2003 09:40									#5
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But look at the bright side, it makes cities with production of over 100 very possible.

Screw the pollution, build it!

BTW, remember that using Shift-P on a Worker automatically sends them to clean up a polluted square, this is really useful when 2 or 3 polluted squares appear per turn.

	09-02-2003 23:24									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Master Zen ... BTW, remember that using Shift-P on a Worker automatically sends them to clean up a polluted square, this is really useful when 2 or 3 polluted squares appear per turn.

... and it is really frustrating when there is NO pollution. Then you have to stand them all down and Shift-P them again when pollution reappears.

	10-02-2003 09:53									#7
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Which is probably why I don't bother to automate at all.

	10-02-2003 16:26									#8
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Jaybe makes a good point. There should be a way to keep the workers automated on pollution cleanup even when you have none on a given turn. That way you wouldn't have to fortify all on one turn and re-command them the next.

I think this interface difficulty is kept in to 'encourage' you to build Mass Transit and the Recycling Plant.

	10-02-2003 17:27									#9
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I always use shift-a...this way my workers will clean pollution whenever it appears an will be railroading every tile when they don't have anything else to do.

	10-02-2003 23:28									#10
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And what do you do when all your tiles are railroaded and otherwise improved ?

	11-02-2003 02:17									#11
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Wait for pollution to clean up, make watch tower, radar towers, field airports... wait for enemy terrain to be won so to get workers there and improve my (new) terrain...

Usually I use the slave workers to build up towers, field airports and radars... other times, I just use a mix of different nationality workers to put in a new-found city. Usually the city won't flip. Just as guarantee, I put equal number of every nationality worker in the population, and equal of mine workers as well.

You can use them to lure your opponents with your good intentions, giving some of them to the enemy, er, adversary civ, or returning the former slaves to the enem, ups, former-enemy.

	11-02-2003 10:59									#12
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Usually after I send some workers to clean pollution I lump them in the same square and Fortify All. Then when pollution returns I Wake All and send them to clean up

	11-02-2003 11:04									#13
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Yes it does.

Before IW I was getting 48 shields and no pollution in that city. With IW it was producing 96 shields and 4 pollution.

	11-02-2003 11:12									#14
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If you open the editor, you can easily find out exactly what pollutes, and how much.

The thing I found surprising was the one pollution found on airports.

	11-02-2003 11:19									#15
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But what does that "one pollution" exactly mean? What are the actual chances that a city cotaining an improvement that produces "one pollution" to have a pollution blob suddenly show up on a city square? What are the numbers regarding pollution and it's distribution according to the games logistics?

	11-02-2003 11:23									#16
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One pollution means the same as one chimney in Civ1 - it represents the chance of getting one of those 20 squares polluted. Thus the more pollution, the more likely to get polluted city squares.

	11-02-2003 11:31									#17
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Yes, and lots of it. It produces a large amount of shields, and a corresponding amount of pollution. Be prepared!

	11-02-2003 17:30									#18
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quote: But what does that "one pollution" exactly mean? What are the actual chances that a city cotaining an improvement that produces "one pollution" to have a pollution blob suddenly show up on a city square? What are the numbers regarding pollution and it's distribution according to the games logistics?

That's something troubling. The only answer we have until now is "the more you have, the more chances you get to be polluted". It would be nice if we had some percentage about these things, like "4 pollution = 10% of actual blotted square", or something like that.

The same goes for the global warming thing. How much pollution can we stand so there'll be no terrain changing? Or this is a cumulative effect?

	11-02-2003 23:14									#19
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All I know about global warming is that I hated the tile-changing trick so much that I turned the damn thing off in the editor.

Now I don't mind it a bit!

	11-02-2003 23:34									#20
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Also one must take into account that population causes pollution beginning in the late industrial age (i think when you get Motorized Transport)

Whoever, I still don't know what's the formula for population pollustion

	12-02-2003 10:59									#21
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I think population causes polution once it gets above twelve, or when population exceeds the number of usable squares, whichever comes first.

	13-02-2003 20:20									#22
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IIRC, One tile is affected by GW for every 9 tiles where pollution is present at the end of a turn. This is world wide, not just in your territory. (that was from CIV 2 but I think that it is the same in CIV3 and PTW as well.)

Master Zen:

Population starts to pollute once the size of a city reaches a metropolis (which is why I make a town=8 and a city=16)

	13-02-2003 22:01									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Mad Bomber IIRC, One tile is affected by GW for every 9 tiles where pollution is present at the end of a turn. This is world wide, not just in your territory. (that was from CIV 2 but I think that it is the same in CIV3 and PTW as well.) Master Zen: Population starts to pollute once the size of a city reaches a metropolis (which is why I make a town=8 and a city=16)

hi ,

ahem , and what then concerning cities that are size 6 and have polution , ...... caused by buildings , ......

have a nice day

	13-02-2003 22:33									#24
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Either way : it is still well worth it to build it. The advantages far outweight the pollution.

	14-02-2003 03:03									#25
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quote: Originally posted by panag hi , ahem , and what then concerning cities that are size 6 and have polution , ...... caused by buildings , ...... have a nice day

Yes, Panang. City improvements do cause pollution......

Factories, Manufacturing Plant's, Coal Plants, Research Labs and Airports all create pollution. Also keep in mind that if a city shares tiles the pollution may not have come from the city it is listed but from the city it shares the tile with.

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quote: Also keep in mind that if a city shares tiles the pollution may not have come from the city it is listed but from the city it shares the tile with.

This is something new. Never heard about it. How did this happen to you, exactly?

	14-02-2003 19:31									#27
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Petro:

lets say that there are two cities. the first is City A, the second is city B. Imagine that they share a few tiles. lets say that pollution occurs in a tile shared by the two cities. It is possible that the polltuion was caused by city B, but because the tile is closer to city A, the game will say "there is pollution by City A" even if it was caused by City B.