09-02-2003 08:09									#1
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I read a report recently which suggested that New Zealanders of European descent will be a minority in 50 years, and Maori will be all but assimilated. The new majority race will be the Asians.

This is rather scary... but our government (being all fair and unbiased ) has slapped an English test, which is hard to even those who are native-english speakers, on all new immigrants.

So, regardless of whether you're English, Dutch, Canadian, American or Somalian, you have to take an English test.

So, do your countries have a sizeable problem with immigration?

	09-02-2003 08:14									#2
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Yes, we have an immigration problem. It's too hard for people to come to the US.

	09-02-2003 08:16									#3
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That would be a big yes. There are far to many people entering illegally and we have no control over our borders.

	09-02-2003 08:17									#4
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In New Zealand... I know a few case of Chinese coming over, dumping their kids at an adoption centre and going back to China so they can fill up their "child allowance" again

	09-02-2003 08:22									#5
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In the US, it depends who you talk to.

Some think that everyone has the right to enter the US illegaly while other (like me) think that's not right.

	09-02-2003 09:00									#6
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New Zealand clearly has an immigration policies. But I doubt the politicians will do the right thing by kicking out all of them white immigrants.

	09-02-2003 09:02									#7
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Not really. We could absorb a bit more fairly easily, despite having what appears to be the highest immigration rate in the developed world.

	09-02-2003 09:04									#8
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I'm not really sure.

On one hand, I don't think we let enough qualified people in.

On the other hand, speaking of my city in particular, there's a very rapidly rising problem of "Asian Gangs" which warranted the formation of a 25-cop anti-gang taskforce this month. Recently we've been getting things such as driveby shootings, murders, stabbings, and large drug busts and all have been linked to Asian gangs.

Is this immigration's problem? Maybe, maybe not. It is kinda a weird coincidence, though...

(Flame on, I know I'm in for it, but that's the truth)

	09-02-2003 09:06									#9
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Define "problem".

	09-02-2003 09:08									#10
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No flame. But remember that every immigrant population that's ever moved here has given some problems with gangs.

Italians, Jews, Arabs, Irish...

Comes from being clannish at first (you stick to what you know). Recent immigrants don't trust the cops, try to solve their problems themselves and a lot of the time bring an attitude of acceptance for a powerful underworld from where they originate.

It's not a serious problem, and IMO is minor compared to the positive aspects of an open immigration policy (both goodwill in the rest of the world and increased talent here).

	09-02-2003 09:46									#11
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The kitten speaks the truth

	09-02-2003 11:49									#12
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I remember when I lived in England, an area of the town was covered with Kosovans and Somalians. They all stuck together and you were likely to be attacked if you walked down there. They had 20 stabbings in 6 months, IIRC. Kind of scary, but the police couldn't get any info because they all bonded around eachother and didn't give the police a look in what so ever.

	09-02-2003 12:21									#13
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You think its bad with asians in New Zealand? Look at Vancouver.

We have huge immigration in Canada, but the problem is not too little, but not enough. Canada's population growth is so far below replacement, at about 1.4 children per woman, it's not funny.

	09-02-2003 12:47									#14
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No. And I live in the southwestern U.S.

You can't say it is a problem. As long as there are jobs, it is not a problem. If there were no jobs they wouldn't immigrate here now would they?

	09-02-2003 13:11									#15
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What the commie said.

	09-02-2003 14:50									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Frozzy I read a report recently which suggested that New Zealanders of European descent will be a minority in 50 years, and Maori will be all but assimilated. The new majority race will be the Asians. This is rather scary...

So what's your subtext here? "Save us from the yellow peril!!!" or "Preserve our precious white race!!!"

	09-02-2003 14:54									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Frozzy I remember when I lived in England, an area of the town was covered with Kosovans and Somalians. They all stuck together and you were likely to be attacked if you walked down there. They had 20 stabbings in 6 months, IIRC. Kind of scary, but the police couldn't get any info because they all bonded around eachother and didn't give the police a look in what so ever.

Sounds like any other run-down inner city area to me. You think 20 stabbings in 6 months is some sort of epidemic? You think that any group of locals won't watch out for each other? Whatever colour their skin, or the language they speak?

More crucially, what makes you think that the ethnic groups you single out are any less welcome than the Australasians that occupy every bar job in London?

	09-02-2003 15:15									#18
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??

Everyone loves Aussies.

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Norway gets many groundless asylum seekers, especially from Eastern Europe, people who are seeking better economic circumstances, but who aren't necessarily escaping political or religious persecution.
I think many of them know they'll be sent back, but since it takes the bureaucracy so long to process their applications, at least they get a nice free vacation and new clothes to bring back home
In Russia, there are even "travel agencies" who specialise in "free holidays in generous Norway", ripping off both their countrymen and the Norwegian tax payers.

We're getting a new law now however, so groundless applicants will be sent home within 48 hours.

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quote: In Russia, there are even "travel agencies" who specialise in "free holidays in generous Norway", ripping off both their countrymen and the Norwegian tax payers.

link?

quote: We're getting a new law now however, so groundless applicants will be sent home within 48 hours.

Bastards! Share some of the enourmous riches you get from oil with the rest of us

	09-02-2003 16:01									#21
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quote: link?

I did see one of their websites once. I'll see if I can dig it up.

quote: Bastards! Share some of the enourmous riches you get from oil with the rest of us

just claim to be a persecuted homosexual chechenian jew and you'll get right in

	09-02-2003 16:55									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Gangerolf just claim to be a persecuted homosexual chechenian jew and you'll get right in

Any particular reason for picking those categories?

	09-02-2003 17:02									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns ?? Everyone loves Aussies.

No. Your typical "Daily Mail"-reading, BNP-sympathetic Little Englander "doesn't mind" Australians, because they are usually white and speak English (albeit in a funny way). This means they are almost as good (but not quite, obviously) as a proper Englishman.

Crap, isn't it? Of course, if all the non-white, non-English speakers were removed from the country, the fact that all these beastly colonials are infesting their glorious nation will probably become a problem. That's the sort of insular, xenophobic knuckledraggers you're dealing with, you see.

	09-02-2003 17:14									#24
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quote: Any particular reason for picking those categories?

It seems that the ones who get to stay are mostly people from war-torn countries or persecuted minorities like gays or christians in some muslim countries. Or people who claim to belong to one of those categories.

"jew" should be replaced with "christian" I guess.

	09-02-2003 17:17									#25
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Well that's pretty much the basis for seeking asylum, isn't it? Or is your neighbourhood plagued by swarms of Swiss refugees?

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"They mock our cuckoo clocks, and persecute us for our Toblerone chocolate and cunning, multi-pupose penknives!"

Sorry. I've just amused myself. Carry on.

	09-02-2003 17:33									#27
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quote: Well that's pretty much the basis for seeking asylum, isn't it?

yes and that's why I suggested it. however, people who claim to be something they're not to get in, gives real refugees a bad name.

quote: Or is your neighbourhood plagued by swarms of Swiss refugees?

Actually I used to live next to a reception centre for asylum seekers. Mostly nice people, but some of them couldn't seem to keep their hands off my bike and they didn't understand the concept of sorting trash.
Those savages would put bio waste in the paper container and metal in the mixed waste container But most of the time they just tossed everything in the same container.

	09-02-2003 18:04									#28
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Britain's got a major tabloid problem.

I can't believe that there is serious talk of asylum seekers bringing in diseases, makes my stomach turn.

	09-02-2003 19:00									#29
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We have a foreign worker problem. They are not immigrants but people that come from abroad to work here. They both live in piss poor conditions here, AND take the jobs away from Israeli people, and the construction companies reap the benefits.

	09-02-2003 21:18									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Frozzy I remember when I lived in England, an area of the town was covered with Kosovans and Somalians. They all stuck together and you were likely to be attacked if you walked down there. They had 20 stabbings in 6 months, IIRC. Kind of scary, but the police couldn't get any info because they all bonded around eachother and didn't give the police a look in what so ever.

Quick! You need to adopt a "Second Amendment" guarenteeing those gangstas the right to carry firearms. That will take care of your 20 stabbings/half year, you better believe it!