09-02-2003 18:23									#1
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Ok I’m in an interesting situation in my current game, to cut a long story short, me the most powerful civ along with 3 allied civ’s are at war with the Egyptians, anyway I’m suffering from major war wariness and I would like peace, there lies the predicament and the question: the Egypt has the UN, if I sign peace with them and betray my allies then, they wouldn’t back me in the UN vote, which Egypt wont call while at war.

The only option is to race to Thebes and burn it and the UN to the ground…. My question is this does the destruction of the UN, null the Vote? In addition, is it a true assumption to assume the Egyptians wont call a UN vote whiles at war with me and 3 other civs? and is it true to assume that if I break my alliances and sign a peace my allies wont vote for me?

	09-02-2003 19:39									#2
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The vote shouldn't happen if the U.N. is destroyed.
The Egyptians might call a vote they might not. It is sometimes hard to tell what the A.I. will do.
Breaking your alliance shouldn't hurt you all that much, though someone else will need to answer this one.

	09-02-2003 20:00									#3
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has anyone tested destroying the city with the UN in as a way to stop the vote from happening?

	10-02-2003 05:40									#4
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I'm pretty sure that if you raze the UN you raze the chance for diplomatic victory. But you needn't to go so far. I think that if you just capture it you have the chance of vote in your hands.

	11-02-2003 19:52									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Naiveplayer I'm pretty sure that if you raze the UN you raze the chance for diplomatic victory. But you needn't to go so far. I think that if you just capture it you have the chance of vote in your hands.

and the risk of it flipping

	12-02-2003 20:18									#6
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nuke em

	12-02-2003 22:57									#7
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i actually did nuke them, haha burned the UN down, haha funny the rest of the world didnt seam to mind me nuking the UN and killing all their diplomats.......

anyway im thinking a quest to destroy the UN might be a viable tactic in all my games for stopping the vote, sign alliances with most other civs against whoever builds it on the turn its built....

	12-02-2003 23:23									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Avaron i actually did nuke them, haha burned the UN down, haha funny the rest of the world didnt seam to mind me nuking the UN and killing all their diplomats....... anyway im thinking a quest to destroy the UN might be a viable tactic in all my games for stopping the vote, sign alliances with most other civs against whoever builds it on the turn its built....

Wow, I really hope the developers put in a MAJOR rep hit if you raze the city that has the U.N.

	12-02-2003 23:27									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Avaron ....... anyway im thinking a quest to destroy the UN might be a viable tactic in all my games for stopping the vote, sign alliances with most other civs against whoever builds it on the turn its built....

It ought to be much easier to just build it yourself!

	13-02-2003 00:56									#10
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yeah i usualy do, just got beat to it this time, made them pay though, as i say if another civ builds the UN before me then they are just drawing a target on there own heads!

quote: Originally posted by Jaybe It ought to be much easier to just build it yourself!

	13-02-2003 03:07									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Avaron i actually did nuke them, haha burned the UN down, haha funny the rest of the world didnt seam to mind me nuking the UN and killing all their diplomats.......

All the diplos probably returned to their own countries during the war.

	15-02-2003 00:39									#12
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Build the UN first to win peacfully.

If they beat you to it, Kill for peace!!!

	16-02-2003 06:27									#13
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In my experience, breaking an alliance (or perhaps especially multiple alliances at once) at least can make your former allies Furious with you.

	21-02-2003 01:56									#14
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PILLAGE AND RAZE!

	21-02-2003 02:30									#15
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Do like US: Ignore it. Or like France: Block it.

	22-02-2003 19:17									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Traelin Wow, I really hope the developers put in a MAJOR rep hit if you raze the city that has the U.N.

I won't see why? If Washington was razed, would you be mad because the UN was razed or because Washington was razed?

	22-02-2003 21:09									#17
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Actually New York which is where UN actually is... but yeah, Beren makes a good point. Razing is razing, and it's evil if there's a UN there or not.

	22-02-2003 23:00									#18
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Why can't one just raze a wonder no matter what's around it?

	24-02-2003 18:04									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Beren I won't see why? If Washington was razed, would you be mad because the UN was razed or because Washington was razed?

You would be mad for both reasons the way I see it. Diplomats from all countries would be present in the city with the UN, meaning that if that city was razed, citizens of all countries could be killed (and very influential ones at that).

	24-02-2003 18:05									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Fosse Actually New York which is where UN actually is... but yeah, Beren makes a good point. Razing is razing, and it's evil if there's a UN there or not.

Razing is evil, but the world opinion would be even angrier in tone if some of their influential citizens were also killed.

	24-02-2003 18:10									#21
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quote: Originally posted by steven8r Build the UN first to win peacfully. If they beat you to it, Kill for peace!!!

Same slogan use the dicktators,and now it use against them... from danger dictator to silence not wont war dictraktor.

Who want war?

USA!
GO OUT there!

Usa sucks!

	24-02-2003 19:01									#22
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Erhm, this thread isn't about the real world UN. It's about the UN in Civ III.

	24-02-2003 19:07									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Rasbelin Erhm, this thread isn't about the real world UN. It's about the UN in Civ III.

Yes... stay on topic. If you have real life political statements to make, the Off Topic Forum is the appropriate place to do so...

If you continue it here... I see some restrictions being handed out

	25-02-2003 06:05									#24
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ottok seems angry. Well, everyone does these days.

Razing UN should result in some deep, DEEP, but really DEEP restrictions to the player who did it. To the point of making victory much, much, MUCH more difficult, since everybody, including your own people, would probally refuse and protest this vile act.

	25-02-2003 07:16									#25
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If you attempt to raze the UN they'll send the feared weapons inspector unit who will force your nukes to disband unless you keep moving them to a different city every turn.

	25-02-2003 11:24									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Velho If you attempt to raze the UN they'll send the feared weapons inspector unit who will force your nukes to disband unless you keep moving them to a different city every turn.