10-02-2003 02:13									#31
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Loinburger, Frogger: Yes, I know. It has a well-known reputation of a terrible class here, between non-mathematics students, only can be matched by Diff.& Ingrl. Calculus 1 MM ( the two Ms mean that it's like the ordinary course, but encompasses more material, harder hws, tests, etc. )

What are the difference between Partial, and ordinary, Diff. Eq. btw?

	10-02-2003 02:13									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Frogger I had complex analysis prior to having analysis. And I took algebra I first semester and algebra II concurrently with complex. Alg. II was lin. algebra (but taught like a real algebra class, since we'd already learnt how to use matrices prior to uni)

yah, my linear alg was all theory

we only talked about applications at the end (for about a week)

the physicists hated it

Jon Miller

	10-02-2003 02:14									#33
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Do you know what partial differentiation is?

Ordinary: 1 variable
Partial: hell

	10-02-2003 02:15									#34
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quote: 10-15 hours a week for homework is not bad... and I spend a lot less time than most but I agree, don't be a wuss Ramo

I am a lazy bastard and I want:
1. Decent grades
2. No debt after grad school

I'm probably going to drop it.

	10-02-2003 02:15									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel What are the difference between Partial, and ordinary, Diff. Eq. btw?

O.D.E.'s deal in ordinary derivatives, P.D.E.'s deal in partial derivatives (usually differentiating with respect to time).

P.D.E.'s are a helluva lot more complex than O.D.E.'s in Numerical Analysis. If you're after an analytic solution in a P.D.E. then it's usually a good idea to just kill yourself. My final exam for Diffieq II was a take-home exam that consisted of solving one problem. It took me fifteen hours to finish it.

	10-02-2003 02:16									#36
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For my analysis classes, I did less than 2 hours a week homework for 10+ novel proofs per week. It's so ****ing easy, Ramo. Construct an open neighbourhood, assume thm. not true, see what it gets you...

	10-02-2003 02:17									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Frogger For one class? And I took about half of average. Now bear in mind that this was in the same semester as PDEs with the worst, most anal teacher I've ever had (with homeworks of 25+ hours)

yah, tha PDE class sounds like some of the ones that I have had

my freinds often took ~24 for physics (undergrad E&M in particular)

and math freinds took a lot also, I think arround 20 (not as sure) - this was for classes like analysis 2 and topology

I was usually about 1/3 of average, but my secret was that I just quit doing it, not that I was done

Jon Miller

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quote: What are the difference between Partial, and ordinary, Diff. Eq. btw?

ODE's are easy, PDE's are a *****.

	10-02-2003 02:18									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Frogger For my analysis classes, I did less than 2 hours a week homework for 10+ novel proofs per week. It's so ****ing easy, Ramo. Construct an open neighbourhood, assume thm. not true, see what it gets you...

there are ones more complicated than this

Jon Miller

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So I guess I should be relieved?

Jon Miller:

quote: yah, my linear alg was all theory we only talked about applications at the end (for about a week) the physicists hated it

I am having my Linear Algebra test the day after tomorrow. I think it's one of the easier courses. Of course, I had a kick ass TA. .

seriously, what do you mean by applications?

	10-02-2003 02:19									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller yah, tha PDE class sounds like some of the ones that I have had my freinds often took ~24 for physics (undergrad E&M in particular) and math freinds took a lot also, I think arround 20 (not as sure) - this was for classes like analysis 2 and topology I was usually about 1/3 of average, but my secret was that I just quit doing it, not that I was done Jon Miller

E&M was my *****.

	10-02-2003 02:20									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo I am a lazy bastard and I want: 1. Decent grades 2. No debt after grad school I'm probably going to drop it.

I don't think grades matter muhc

or they sholdn't

I know that mine were not the best (the whole quiting HW when it was 1/2 to 3/4 done did that to me)

Jon Miller

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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller there are ones more complicated than this Jon Miller

Like what? That's what they all end up boiling down to...

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quote: Originally posted by Frogger E&M was my *****.

I am taking Jackson this semester

I here that HW is crap in Jackson

Jon Miller

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quote: For my analysis classes, I did less than 2 hours a week homework for 10+ novel proofs per week. It's so ****ing easy, Ramo. Construct an open neighbourhood, assume thm. not true, see what it gets you..

Except we've got maybe 50+ novel proofs/week in complex. It is hell.

quote: I had complex analysis prior to having analysis.

Yeah, complex is easier than real over here. Mostly 'cuz the physics people usually take complex but don't take real.

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quote: Originally posted by Frogger Like what? That's what they all end up boiling down to...

my memory is not graet

and I could b mixing it up with topology

I will look back through my notes

Jon Miller

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I don't think you're taking the same sort of lin alg course that algebra 2 was.

Is your class composed of systems of linear equations, multiplying matrices, and geometric problems? Those are applications.

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quote: I don't think grades matter muhc or they sholdn't I know that mine were not the best (the whole quiting HW when it was 1/2 to 3/4 done did that to me)

Isn't that kind of a problem for grad school. Physics is pretty competitive, isn't it?

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	10-02-2003 02:23									#50
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oh, btw, how much do you pay for college?

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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller I am taking Jackson this semester I here that HW is crap in Jackson Jon Miller

We never got HW out of Jackson. Our profs aren't quite that lazy...

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Too damn much

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quote: Originally posted by Ramo Isn't that kind of a problem for grad school. Physics is pretty competitive, isn't it?

grades don't really matter much

or at elast, I got into equivilent schools with others who all had all As

I averaged a B+ in physics

Jon Miller

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quote: Originally posted by Frogger We never got HW out of Jackson. Our profs aren't quite that lazy...

yah, the classical mechanics prof last semester made up his problems

they were hell

Jon Miller

	10-02-2003 02:27									#55
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My linear algebra class was all proofs too. Really easy though (nothing like real analysis).

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I found my algebra 2 class a lot harder than any analysis class.

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quote: Originally posted by Frogger I don't think you're taking the same sort of lin alg course that algebra 2 was. Is your class composed of systems of linear equations, multiplying matrices, and geometric problems? Those are applications.

my class had about a week on systems/eigen*s/whathave you

that is why the physics people hated

I think that the math department didn't want to taech it for physics peopel anymore, which is why they taught it that way

physics just made a math methods class to cover it later

Jon Miller

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quote: grades don't really matter much or at elast, I got into equivilent schools with others who all had all As I averaged a B+ in physics

Hmmm... interesting. What was your total GPA?

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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller my class had about a week on systems/eigen*s/whathave you that is why the physics people hated I think that the math department didn't want to taech it for physics peopel anymore, which is why they taught it that way physics just made a math methods class to cover it later Jon Miller

Sorry, I was talking to Azazel, not you.

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quote: I found my algebra 2 class a lot harder than any analysis class.

Could be that I really hate analysis or my analysis prof was unusally touhg, but real analysis was the hardest class I've ever taken, easily.