10-02-2003 09:35									#1
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On the Gamespot.com preview of MOO3 theymention that planets are automatically blocked by allies.

Is this still true? Why would an ally blockade your planet automatically?

	10-02-2003 10:02									#2
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um, are you sure it didn't say that planets are automatically blockaded by people you have nonagression pacts with? Nonagression pacts arent' alliances.

	10-02-2003 10:22									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Kc7mxo um, are you sure it didn't say that planets are automatically blockaded by people you have nonagression pacts with? Nonagression pacts arent' alliances.

Yup, your allies won't blockage you. I'd have thought a NA pact would stop them as well but maybe they only promise not to attack you rather than promise not to do anything bad to you.

	10-02-2003 10:47									#4
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blockade is the default for all races with relations == neutral or less.

	10-02-2003 12:46									#5
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Seems stupid to me!
Makes no sense!
Imagine if any neutral ship would blockade New-York City harbor?

	10-02-2003 12:58									#6
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quote: Originally posted by leiavoia blockade is the default for all races with relations == neutral or less.

Ah, so a NA would would stop them then. And so would research or trade pacts. Good

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so send a small ship to every system owned by a friend, treat them really nice diplomatically, and in 20 years, come through with a fleet and sweep them right up without a prob.

	10-02-2003 19:36									#8
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quote: Originally posted by vishniac Seems stupid to me! Makes no sense! Imagine if any neutral ship would blockade New-York City harbor?

MoO presupposes that a ship has hostile intentions unless you formalise your neutrality with a NA pact. If a warship showed up outside New York harbor you can bet America would scramble the military to intercept and escort it.

	10-02-2003 21:34									#9
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quote: Originally posted by vishniac Seems stupid to me! Makes no sense! Imagine if any neutral ship would blockade New-York City harbor?

No, more like:

"I've never met him before, but he might eat me. scramble the interceptors!"

	10-02-2003 23:29									#10
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Here is the quote from the article:

http://gamespot.com/gamespot/storie...02095-2,00.html

"The system ships are good as a local garrison, and it's best not to allow even a friendly empire's ships to hang around one of your systems, since they'll blockade it by default. "

	11-02-2003 00:35									#11
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How pray tell can you force ships to leave your system? Demand it? We've all experienced the hell of demanding things from AIs in other games...

It'll suck if every five minutes you go to war with someone because they won't leave your system.

	11-02-2003 08:24									#12
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quote: Originally posted by TheMaestro How pray tell can you force ships to leave your system? Demand it? We've all experienced the hell of demanding things from AIs in other games... It'll suck if every five minutes you go to war with someone because they won't leave your system.

You can zap those annoying trespassers without going to war.

	11-02-2003 08:27									#13
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quote: Originally posted by booje Here is the quote from the article: http://gamespot.com/gamespot/storie...02095-2,00.html "The system ships are good as a local garrison, and it's best not to allow even a friendly empire's ships to hang around one of your systems, since they'll blockade it by default. "

They can be friendly without having any formal treaties. In that case they would blockade. However, if they are friendly it should be easy to get them to sign a NA pact/trade treaty etc.

	11-02-2003 10:20									#14
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i've found that empires can trade "small arms fire" (read: you fried his scout over Tau Ceti III) and not go into insta-war or anything. relations dip a bit but it's not like in MOO2 where it was like "YOU TERD!!!! WE DEMAND VENGEANCE FOR THE SLAUGHTER YOU CAUSED!" (that one guy in the scout) "TO WAR!"

And you fend off other people's fleets from blockading you buy intercepting them with system ships (or system + local starships) instead of waiting for an attack on your planets.

	11-02-2003 17:13									#15
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Sounds like it works to me.

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quote: i've found that empires can trade "small arms fire" (read: you fried his scout over Tau Ceti III) and not go into insta- war or anything. relations dip a bit but it's not like in MOO2 where it was like "YOU TERD!!!! WE DEMAND VENGEANCE FOR THE SLAUGHTER YOU CAUSED!" (that one guy in the scout) "TO WAR!"

And this is something I've always wanted.

Putting this into civ3 would have been a great improvement, and would have virtually eliminated the problem of the AI's wandering settlers.

	11-02-2003 21:57									#17
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Having them comprehend that your border was as important to you as their border is to them would have been the great improvement.

"Your unarmed explorer is in our territory. Remove him immediately or prepare for WAR! Our fifteen armed trading missions currently sitting on your major roads have nothing to do with this present discussion nor are they exactly the same 15 units we humbly agreed to remove 3 turns ago because you have tanks and we do not!"

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quote: Originally posted by Grumbold "Your unarmed explorer is in our territory. Remove him immediately or prepare for WAR! Our fifteen armed trading missions currently sitting on your major roads have nothing to do with this present discussion nor are they exactly the same 15 units we humbly agreed to remove 3 turns ago because you have tanks and we do not!"

You mean they would actually agree to remove the units for you? Better than I had it

	12-02-2003 00:54									#19
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Heh, getting them to agree wasn't the problem, geting them to do it was. Just like certain countries we're dealing with right now. . .

	14-02-2003 06:26									#20
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quote: Originally posted by leiavoia i've found that empires can trade "small arms fire" (read: you fried his scout over Tau Ceti III) and not go into insta-war or anything. relations dip a bit but it's not like in MOO2 where it was like "YOU TERD!!!! WE DEMAND VENGEANCE FOR THE SLAUGHTER YOU CAUSED!" (that one guy in the scout) "TO WAR!" And you fend off other people's fleets from blockading you buy intercepting them with system ships (or system + local starships) instead of waiting for an attack on your planets.

This makes way more since than the way it was done in MOO2. Sounds like someone finally thought this out.

	14-02-2003 11:11									#21
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So you can actually attack + destroy enemy units in your territory without going to war? That's great -- as long as its true.

	15-02-2003 08:28									#22
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It is.

	15-02-2003 09:05									#23
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So........do allies blockade your planet/planets automatically?

	15-02-2003 14:51									#24
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I think you'll find that was answered in the first four posts. People with whom you are not at war but have no formal treaty with default to blocade. If you have a formal alliance treaty then they won't.

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quote: Originally posted by Grumbold I think you'll find that was answered in the first four posts. People with whom you are not at war but have no formal treaty with default to blocade. If you have a formal alliance treaty then they won't.

Which works out like it did in SMAC.

	17-02-2003 16:44									#26
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quote: Originally posted by leiavoia i've found that empires can trade "small arms fire" (read: you fried his scout over Tau Ceti III) and not go into insta-war or anything. relations dip a bit but it's not like in MOO2 where it was like "YOU TERD!!!! WE DEMAND VENGEANCE FOR THE SLAUGHTER YOU CAUSED!" (that one guy in the scout) "TO WAR!"

... Wow, deja vu.

I've already said this about so many other things, but:

"Birth of the Federation" did that too.

Jon...