10-02-2003 22:59									#1
	Question about Rep Hit Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

If you treat everybody badly in you own continent, eg: Razing, Peace Treaty breaking, Declaring War inside their territory, before you make any contacts with other civs in other continents, does your "bad" reputation carry over?

In my current game I managed to kill every single civs in my continent before civs in another continent contacted me. When I started the Diplomacy screen, all the other Civs were either Cautious or Polite with me. When I make deals with them, there was no mention about my previous lies and cheats. I was able to do MPP and Alliance Treaty easily.

Thus, leading me to believe that If you want to treat your neighbours in your continent badly, do so before Navigation.

	10-02-2003 23:09									#2
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Exactly. Make sure you eliminate all evidence of any wrong-doings prior to contact with other continents, and you are free and clear.

	11-02-2003 00:39									#3
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Oh Arrian. Where are you??

	11-02-2003 02:08									#4
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quote: Originally posted by minke19104 Thus, leading me to believe that If you want to treat your neighbours in your continent badly, do so before Navigation.

According to what I've heard, this is true.

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	11-02-2003 02:55									#5
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This has been dubbed by some the "Arrian Deception." Even though I'm pretty sure it was someone else that noticed it first. I just took it to an extreme (I always try to do it).

Wipe 'em out before they (not you) meet anyone else and you're in the clear. If you make contact (say by suicide galley run) while you are rampaging around your continent breaking treaties, no worries. It's only when the other continent's civs meet the civs that know about your transgressions that things get sticky.

-Arrian, the Deceiver.

	11-02-2003 02:59									#6
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Seriously, this can be one of the most powerful things in the game. Breaking a ROP with the only other civ(s) on your continent and wiping them out, whether it is unfair or not, works amazingly well, with no consequences. Try it. You'll like it.

	11-02-2003 03:24									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian It's only when the other continent's civs meet the civs that know about your transgressions that things get sticky. -Arrian, the Deceiver.

Does this also work in the beginning of the game when you trash one civ around, by sigining peace, get cities then immidiately attack again, and they have not yet met other civs?

How bout if you broke a treaty 1 turn before they got in contact with other civs? Would they know what had just happened? Or they only care about your actions from there on?

	11-02-2003 07:13									#8
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1) Well, if you wiped that civ before they got contact, good for you.

2) Yes they will know what happened as the word will pass that you're a bad guy...

--Kon--

EDIT: For clarity. Thanks Theseus foir pointing it out...

Last edited by Konquest02 on 17-02-2003 at 01:17

	17-02-2003 00:39									#9
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Kon's last post wasn't so clear...

Yes, if you destroy a civ before they have any other contacts, your deeds pass into unspoken history, and your reputation is clean.