11-02-2003 02:17									#1
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The problem some may have is that they're very antialiased, and "smooth". In other words - they're not sharp and distinct, and "soft".

However, they're also VERY readable.

	11-02-2003 04:50									#2
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Thanks Jonah, this is what I was hoping for, clarification on why the other guy said "the fonts blow". He replied to my thread, which nice of him and all, but I have seen hundreds of screenshots and NEVER noticed a thing wrong with the fonts. EVER. So, you have helped clear up some confusion, and for that, my thanks.

	11-02-2003 05:02									#3
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Quicksilver should have included a "sharp" font, though - non-antialiased. It's not a problem, though. Readability is what counts.

	11-02-2003 05:35									#4
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quote: Originally posted by JonahFalcon Quicksilver should have included a "sharp" font, though - non-antialiased. It's not a problem, though. Readability is what counts.

there's an option in the game settings to turn anti-aliasing off
either in game options or in the .ini file.

	11-02-2003 05:38									#5
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I'll have to check it out - if there is such an option, the whining is all for naught.

	11-02-2003 05:49									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Rantz there's an option in the game settings to turn anti-aliasing off either in game options or in the .ini file.

Uh oh...don't tell us that we might need to touch something in the INI file. LoL

NWN did that...and then the support forum was flooded with, "I did it, now the game won't even load. heheh

	11-02-2003 06:00									#7
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quote: Originally posted by TheMaestro Uh oh...don't tell us that we might need to touch something in the INI file. LoL

it's an option we had in the in-house builds to test Kerning in fonts, and I can't remember if we put it in the game options screen or not. There were a lot of 'do we make this a player option' discussion about to include and what not to make available.

of course, .ini futzing is 'non-supported behavior'

	11-02-2003 06:34									#8
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Are any of hte betas red-green deficient? Is it a problem in the game, or would you not even notice it?

	11-02-2003 06:40									#9
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Good job Rantz and team.

Thanx for the option, even if it is .ini only.

	11-02-2003 06:57									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Rantz there's an option in the game settings to turn anti-aliasing off either in game options or in the .ini file.

"either" in game options or the ini file??

a programmer who made the game doesn't know which?

what's up with that?

	11-02-2003 07:28									#11
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quote: Originally posted by vee4473 "either" in game options or the ini file?? a programmer who made the game doesn't know which? what's up with that?

Rantz Hoseley
Art Director
Quicksilver Software, Inc.

Mr. Hoseley is a art director,not a programmer.

	11-02-2003 07:37									#12
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that was my whole point...

everyone up to this point took Rantz' posts as a great source of inside info...

i ALWAYS wondered how an art director had any real knowledge of the actual game programming.

And if he does, GREAT!

if not, why treat his past posts as reliable info?


If he doesn't know how the option in question works, why trust his other posts about game play or anything else?

Point being:

If you say he is just an "art director" , then his posts on the actual details of how the game is programmed mean nothing.

something i have felt all along.

just voicing my opinion. open to replies.

	11-02-2003 07:52									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Rantz it's an option we had in the in-house builds to test Kerning in fonts, and I can't remember if we put it in the game options screen or not. There were a lot of 'do we make this a player option' discussion about to include and what not to make available. of course, .ini futzing is 'non-supported behavior'

Rantz, you rule. hehe

ini files are like...cars...everyone loves to screw with'em, and only a few know what they are doing.

Hurry MOOIII! I'm playing Empire Earth!! Hurry! Alas, I am playing an AOE clone, hurry! Please? I'll send you cookies, cake, pie??

	11-02-2003 07:59									#14
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quote: Originally posted by 13Matt13 Are any of hte betas red-green deficient? Is it a problem in the game, or would you not even notice it?

I second that question.

	11-02-2003 08:02									#15
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of course "kerning", the spacing and appearance of letters in a particular font, is custom, and therefore only for those hardcore enough to care.

but, please, a person who has the approval or confidence to talk about the details of the game ought to know the details.

i could not care less about the fonts actually.

as long as they are readable and sharp.

If you are going to post, know the answer or details.

especially if you are the programmer.

kerning...

	11-02-2003 16:35									#16
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Having a bad day, vee?

	11-02-2003 16:48									#17
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I rarely defend Rantz, in fact I've often been critical of his anti-fan tendencies.

However, are you guys seriously criticising him for not knowing off hand *exactly* where the option is to turn off anti-aliasing? I'm beginning to see what he means about being sick of getting flamed for trying to help!

It's like asking tech support how to view hidden files in windows explorer, then flaming them for saying 'It's in either tools->preferences, or view->options'.

At least Rantz didn't say RTFM!

	11-02-2003 22:38									#18
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I can't find the option in-game - must be in an .ini file.

If you want to see what the fonts are like, Dan and Markos posted one of the pix I sent them:

http://apolyton.net/moo3/screens/2003/moo3_2_t.jpg

Last edited by JonahFalcon on 11-02-2003 at 22:50

	11-02-2003 23:06									#19
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quote: Originally posted by vee4473 but, please, a person who has the approval or confidence to talk about the details of the game ought to know the details. :snipp:: If you are going to post, know the answer or details. especially if you are the programmer.

I'm the creative director for MOO3, that means, art/design/music/writing... a lot of things, but no programming. There are a TON of oprions in MOO3 (windowed mode being a perfect example) that we had in for our own internal tests.

When it came time to put together the list of which options would be 'tweakable' by the player, it was the LAST screen we worked on, (after the beta had started even, I believe) and we had been working 60-80 hour weeks, so forgive me if I don't, off the top of my head know which options we decided to put in the 'user accessible' options.

the 'details' of the game are complex enough that I don't think that any one person on the team knows all the answers off the top of his or her head. There is a LOT of stuff going on in MOO3, for example I'm sure that if you asked the guys who coded ship combat what the planetary development AI looks for as priority items, and what weights have a relative effect on it, it's doubtful they'd know that off the top of their heads.

Next time I don't know off the top of my head, I'll not post, ok? Having a better day now?

	11-02-2003 23:30									#20
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go, rantz, go!

	11-02-2003 23:48									#21
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Ignore the naysayers Rantz. They are a vocal minority. The rest of us don't have photographic with instant recall memories either.

Please don't stop posting because a few impatient and rude individuals start flaming without thinking.

	11-02-2003 23:59									#22
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quote: Next time I don't know off the top of my head, I'll not post, ok? Having a better day now?

Gratitude goes a long way. Bash the game, bash the distributor, bash the developer. Don't bash the only person involved in the game that's willing to post in any of the forums. I don't always agree with Rantz but I wouldn't know if he stopped posting.

	12-02-2003 00:25									#23
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i never said you had to know off the top of your head.

since your are the sole "official" representative for the game here, i just thought it would have been wiser to research the answer to the question, instead of saying it may be here or may be there.

especially for whoever posed the question...who most likely would have liked to know if it was an easy to access option or if it was in some obscure file.

thats all.

sorry if i came off rude.

the real thrust of my posts was trying to understand how some people point out that rantz is just the art director, so don't expect him to know too much, yet at the same time people take him very seriously about any details he gives.

but whatever

	12-02-2003 00:35									#24
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Just to clear the air. vee4473 I wasn't trying to single you out. I have noticed in many threads that anytime Rantz is nice enough to take the time to share what he can he gets flamed for his trouble. I admit I'm new the the forums but that just doesn't seem appropriate. I am sure Rantz has other things to do. If there is something that begs to be clarified fine, but there's no need to flame somebody for not giving an exact description of how one supplementary option was implemented in a complex game.

	12-02-2003 00:47									#25
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yeah, you're right.

sorry, bad day i guess.


sorry rantz baby

	12-02-2003 01:13									#26
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Aaa, vee. I figured. You've never seemed to really flame up at anybody, except maybe CT. He usually deserves it.

	12-02-2003 01:23									#27
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Thanks for being here at all, Rantz.

BTW, I too have had to grow a thicker skin in order to manage these forum forays myself, and I'm not on any development team!

As we all know, opinions and pie-holes coexist in the same universe as facts and a-holes. Sometimes you get a mix of Any of the Above.