11-02-2003 07:30									#1
	Scenario Not found message?? Win 2000 XP Issue Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

I received from Santa Troll (Unlike traditional Santa, Trolldoms Beared St Nic rewards for absolutely Sucking at this game) a new PC Win 2000 XP Professional Athlon 1.5 gig with 512 Ram 64 bit Radeon Graphics Card 80 Gig HD. Not a Bad system, but am having some probelms.

In a game I was playing online this evening, I played about 2 hours, saved several times, went to reload, got a message, SCENARIO NOT FOUND...


Strange, didnt have a scenario activated, and this has happened several times, over the past month since I got this.


Another thing, some people cannot join, most can some cant join me in a game...it just sits trying to connect.


Any suggestions?



Thanks In Advance


Grandpa Troll

	13-02-2003 16:30									#2
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Still happeneing, so I completely removed all files, both saved Multiplayer and Single Player saved files, removed and deleted all my scenarios I built, now all I have is CTP NON adjusted or tweaked files. Just like it came out of box with exception of updated server files.

I play a game save and can load it. 10 minutes later I try a new game save and try to reload and get a message "Scenario Not Found"...But I am not playing a scenario. I dont have any on my PC for this game.

Very Odd

If any have any suggestions please forward.

BTW, I am, as mentioned, playing with no, ZERO addons or tweaks/modifications to any files. Some folks cannot enter my games, some can This is odd too.

Thanks for any/all input

Grandpa Troll

	13-02-2003 21:41									#3
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CTP2 MP players have had trouble with joining games when one of them was using 2K/XP, so that problem is OS-related.

However, the scenario not found thing is very strange - I've had CTP working fine on 2K. You have installed the patch and hack, I presume? The hack in particular might have bearing on this problem.

	14-02-2003 04:46									#4
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quote: Originally posted by J Bytheway CTP2 MP players have had trouble with joining games when one of them was using 2K/XP, so that problem is OS-related. However, the scenario not found thing is very strange - I've had CTP working fine on 2K. You have installed the patch and hack, I presume? The hack in particular might have bearing on this problem.

No Hack, no patch, the game I bought (My 2nd copy ) had it installed. I play all the time with lots of folks, like I mentioned above, just for no reason I get this message. I could start a nerw game and have no problems with that game. Then go back next day or even later in day and BAM! same problem..Odd..very odd

Grandpa Troll

	14-02-2003 06:00									#5
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When I was using modswapper I always got alot of "scenario not found" error messages whenever I would play against some one online. However, I could create and play a single player game online with no problems. Go figure

I am running Windows XP, I geuss the XP stands for eXtra Problems I too have problems joining some games and visa versa. Never had till I got my new computer with XP on it. So I guess it is related to the OS.

	14-02-2003 14:41									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Troll No Hack, no patch, the game I bought (My 2nd copy ) had it installed. I play all the time with lots of folks, like I mentioned above, just for no reason I get this message. I could start a nerw game and have no problems with that game. Then go back next day or even later in day and BAM! same problem..Odd..very odd

Well, the patch and hack both fixed many problems, so I think it would be a good idea to install them just to see whether it would help. You can always go back to where you are now

	24-02-2003 06:48									#7
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	24-02-2003 13:50									#8
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Have you tried with the patches yet?

Another thing you could try is running ctp in Win98 compatibility mode.

	24-02-2003 17:41									#9
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quote: Originally posted by J Bytheway Have you tried with the patches yet? Another thing you could try is running ctp in Win98 compatibility mode.

Yes, I installed Hack and tried installing the 1.2 upgrade, but as previously stated, the cd came with it thus a message came up stating I dont need the patch.


Ok, please define what you mean by running ctp in win98 compatibility mode, I am running WIN2000XP.

Thanks

Grandpa Troll

	24-02-2003 18:11									#10
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He means to find the civ.exe file, right click on it and pick properties. Once in properties pick compatability mode and choose win 98. Click apply and close the window. Reboot and try it again.

Is the xp firewall on and what about your router have you tried it without your router?

	25-02-2003 07:38									#11
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quote: Originally posted by blackice He means to find the civ.exe file, right click on it and pick properties. Once in properties pick compatability mode and choose win 98. Click apply and close the window. Reboot and try it again. Is the xp firewall on and what about your router have you tried it without your router?

Ok Pete, please bear with me,

#1-Where would I find the Civ.exe file? (Path please..i.e. I know where to saved files are, the gamedata files and such would you advise where to look?) Thanks


#2-My Firewall, I have that disabled

#3-Router, do you mean my Hub that the cable plugs into from outside or my networking hub? Or perhaps neither??

Thanks

Grandpa Troll

	25-02-2003 13:19									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Troll #1-Where would I find the Civ.exe file? (Path please..i.e. I know where to saved files are, the gamedata files and such would you advise where to look?) Thanks

[Your CTP Path]\ctp_program\ctp\ctp.exe

	25-02-2003 18:09									#13
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Negative.

I tried both WIN98/ME & WIN2000 Compatability, but neither would allow the saved file to be loaded, but both times I could load one good file no problemos.

~sigh~


Grandpa Troll

	25-02-2003 19:14									#14
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I would reinstall ctp, I am running xp with no problems at all. It maybe that you have destroyed your ctp through slic use.

	26-02-2003 02:19									#15
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quote: Originally posted by blackice I would reinstall ctp, I am running xp with no problems at all. It maybe that you have destroyed your ctp through slic use.

Yeah, thought so too

So I have reinstalled 6 times
I dont reinstall any mods/Scenarios

Still no luck Pete

But, maybe an answer will come about

Grandpa Troll

	26-02-2003 09:23									#16
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Maybe so but if you use a hub and simply install ctp none of the problems you experience should happen.

I installed ctp on 9 winxp computers today and none of them going though routers and hubs, together and separate experienced your problem...

Odd for sure, are you trying to make a modification run with our help?

I sure hope not...

Tomorrow I have 9 more computers to test if it comes up 100% I would reformat and reinstall my xp if I were you. Good advice considering only a few have this problem and so far none of the machines I have tested experience the problem. 100% so far.

The only time I have seen your problem is if you are trying to long on as two players from the same service, ...Or you have modified the game and or you and or them are using cracks, cheats and or game program cheats or you have been making senarios before playing without rebooting. Or your opponent is running or doing any of the above, and game gliches which does not count in this senerio.

Mind you tweaking xp can be dangerous if you do not know what you are doing. Word to the wise if you are not familiar with the inner workings of xp do not adjust, modify and or tweak your xp settings just because someone said it is the right thing to do. Toooooo many things can go wrong.

So reformat and have a look, I will let you know how the other nine go tomorrow.

Black

Last edited by blackice on 26-02-2003 at 09:29

	26-02-2003 10:42									#17
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Troll, the only way I know to get a message" SCENARIO NOT FOUND" is when you save a game as a scenario and then you try to load it without having completed the appropriate process to create the folders and files in the scenario folder.

Are you sure the save you are trying to load hadn't been originally saved as scenario?

I run Windows XP on Athlon processor for over a year and never had a problem with "SCENARIO NOT FOUND" messages or multiplayer games. The only problem I ever expirienced in multiplayer was that I could not join or host a game with an opponent from Australia (Ricketyclik) but the problem was solved when someone else from North America (Pete) hosted the game and both me and Ricketyclik joinned and then Pete resigned.

So I presume that distance, bandwidth and backbone conditions can prevent people from playing together a multiplayer game.

Also I've heared that the QoS service that is installed by default in new network connections, including dialup in the Windows XP uses lot of bandwidth that can slow down your Internet experience, something that can be crucial in CtP multiplayer games. I did had some speed problems until I uninstalled the service. Not sure if the Service Pack corrects this problem though. Haven't tested it since then so I cannot verify it 100%.

Last edited by Keygen on 26-02-2003 at 10:48

	26-02-2003 10:43									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Troll Negative. I tried both WIN98/ME & WIN2000 Compatability, but neither would allow the saved file to be loaded, but both times I could load one good file no problemos. ~sigh~ Grandpa Troll

Now I DID have a little problem with my PBEM games on my XP - it showed up, that the XP thought the extension should start the game through the "playctp.exe" file in the gameroot folder "Civilization-Call to Power" instead of the modified ctp.exe file in the "Civilization-Call to Power\Ctp program\ctp" folder.

Once I had this changed, savegame files worked as they were supposed to.

	26-02-2003 16:09									#19
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quote: Originally posted by blackice Maybe so but if you use a hub and simply install ctp none of the problems you experience should happen. I installed ctp on 9 winxp computers today and none of them going though routers and hubs, together and separate experienced your problem... Odd for sure, are you trying to make a modification run with our help? I sure hope not... Tomorrow I have 9 more computers to test if it comes up 100% I would reformat and reinstall my xp if I were you. Good advice considering only a few have this problem and so far none of the machines I have tested experience the problem. 100% so far. The only time I have seen your problem is if you are trying to long on as two players from the same service, ...Or you have modified the game and or you and or them are using cracks, cheats and or game program cheats or you have been making senarios before playing without rebooting. Or your opponent is running or doing any of the above, and game gliches which does not count in this senerio. Mind you tweaking xp can be dangerous if you do not know what you are doing. Word to the wise if you are not familiar with the inner workings of xp do not adjust, modify and or tweak your xp settings just because someone said it is the right thing to do. Toooooo many things can go wrong. So reformat and have a look, I will let you know how the other nine go tomorrow. Black

Pete

What do you mean by a modification run?

I am not "trying" anything, other than "Trying" to get this to work?


My symptoms are simple and clear, as stated, the answers , however, seem complex?

I am not, however using any cheat programs, modifying XP,using Hack programs.
I have stated this numerous occasion and many time in multiple forums.

I am simply trying to get this to work.

OK, so you have 9X tested CTP on XP with No problems. Me, I am having them. Not with all people mind you, just a few. Not all games I play mind you, just a few. It has been my experience when I have left the const.txt file from a scenario activated, instead of replacing with default file, people cant get into my game. But you can, most in fact can, some however cant.?? No I dont use any other program and No I dont use any modification to XP, I totally agree this could and can be dangerous. AS for my opponents, well, I dont know 100% for sure, but wouldnt they be rejected from my games if so? our databases should be out of sync?

The only issue I addressed, which came AFTER my problems, was right clicking on CTP.exe for compatibility issues and that did nothing for me nor my problem.

Thanks Pete for the assist!

For others I play with Erni from Deutchland, a fella from South Africa and some from North America. I only save the normal way, but thanks for asking.

For the record, Pete, I wonder why the other night, you could get to my game and vice versus, but David Ffloyd couldnt?? A perfect example of what I was referring to on a related issue. I completely removed Call To Power from my PC and will let it rest a few days, maybe I will reinstall, maybe not..

Thanks folks for all suggestions!



Grandpa Troll

	26-02-2003 16:35									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Keygen Troll, the only way I know to get a message" SCENARIO NOT FOUND" is when you save a game as a scenario and then you try to load it without having completed the appropriate process to create the folders and files in the scenario folder. Are you sure the save you are trying to load hadn't been originally saved as scenario? I run Windows XP on Athlon processor for over a year and never had a problem with "SCENARIO NOT FOUND" messages or multiplayer games. The only problem I ever expirienced in multiplayer was that I could not join or host a game with an opponent from Australia (Ricketyclik) but the problem was solved when someone else from North America (Pete) hosted the game and both me and Ricketyclik joinned and then Pete resigned. So I presume that distance, bandwidth and backbone conditions can prevent people from playing together a multiplayer game. Also I've heared that the QoS service that is installed by default in new network connections, including dialup in the Windows XP uses lot of bandwidth that can slow down your Internet experience, something that can be crucial in CtP multiplayer games. I did had some speed problems until I uninstalled the service. Not sure if the Service Pack corrects this problem though. Haven't tested it since then so I cannot verify it 100%.

Keygen

I agree, so about 6 reinstalls ago I decided to not install any scenarios, and it still did it. Very Frustrating indeed.

AS for joining a game I have Cable and other such as god had great pings, like 100-140 and they could not join. Erni from Deutchland, whom I usually play at least once a week, maybe 5-7 hours straight, no problems what-so-ever- with exception of loading a saved game, I get the message "Scenario-Not-Found" as well as with a player named Warlord Tormann and one game with a player named Stalin and one with another fella, but I forget whom that was, plus as stated I play when no one is online, have dynamic join on and will save and reload that game while waiting for someone to show up. Sometimes I can reload it but sometimes I get the message "Scenario Not Found"

Peace

Grandpa Troll

	26-02-2003 18:13									#21
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Troll does your userprofile.txt file look like this?:

NumPlayers=6
AiOn=Yes
UseNiceStart=Yes
UseMapPlugin=Yes
Difficulty=0
RiskLevel=1
Pollution=Yes
UnitAnim=No
GoodAnim=No
TradeAnim=Yes
WaterAnim=Yes
LibraryAnim=No
WonderMovies=No
BounceMessage=No
MessageAdvice=Yes
TutorialAdvice=No
EnemyMoves=Yes
RevoltWarning=Yes
EnemyIntrude=Yes
UnitLostWarning=Yes
TradeLostWarning=Yes
CityLostWarning=Yes
AutoCenter=Yes
FullScreenMovies=No
AutoSave=No
PlayerNumber=1
DefaultCivIndex=16
CivIndex=16
GameName=Another
LeaderName=Ramses the Great
CivName=Egyptians
SaveNote=
Gender=0
NoHumansOnHost=No
LogPlayerStats=No
SfxVolume=5
VoiceVolume=5
MusicVolume=7
XWrap=Yes
YWrap=No
AutoGroup=No
AutoDeselect=Yes
AutoSelectNext=Yes
AutoSelectFirstUnit=Yes
AutoTurnCycle=Yes
CombatLog=No
UseLeftClick=Yes
ShowZoomedCombat=No
UseFingerPrinting=No
UseRedbookAudio=No
RequireCD=No
Prophylaxis=No
TryWindowsResolution=No
ScreenResWidth=1024
ScreenResHeight=768
ZoomedCombatAlways=No
AttackEveryone=No
NonRandomCivs=No
GameWatchDirectory=
AutoEndMultiple=Yes
WetDry=5
WarmCold=5
OceanLand=3
IslandContinent=5
HomoDiverse=8
GoodCount=5
ThroneRoom=No
MaxPlayers=0
MapSize=1
AlienEndGame=Yes
UnitCompleteMessages=Yes
NonContinuousUnitCompleteMessages=Yes
DebugSlic=No
DiplomacyLog=No
CheatAge=0
DontKillMessages=No
AIPopCheat=Yes
ShowCityNames=Yes
ShowTradeRoutes=Yes
UnitSpeed=1
MouseSpeed=5
LeftHandedMouse=0
CityBuiltMessage=Yes
UseAttackMessages=No
MapPlugin0=dll\\map\\geometric.dll
MapPlugin1=dll\\map\\crater.dll
MapPlugin2=dll\\map\\plasma2.dll
MapPlugin3=dll\\map\\plasma2.dll

	26-02-2003 18:30									#22
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Blackice - You just gave me a little inspiration....

Grandpa Troll: take a look at your civpath.txt

Should look like this:

.
setup\data\max\ctp_data\videos
default
english
..\..\ctp_data
videos
..\..\scenarios
.\save
games
queues
mp
scen
maps
gamedata
gamedata\gl
aidata
uidata
uidata\layouts
uidata\fonts
graphics
graphics\sprites
graphics\tiles
graphics\patterns
graphics\pictures
graphics\icons
graphics\cursors
sound

	27-02-2003 05:20									#23
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I'll reinstall and see, I got so frustrated AGAIN that I did my umpteenth uninstall, so either today or tommorrow I will.



Thanks for the help, Ill post!

Grandpa Troll

	27-02-2003 05:42									#24
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Good one Birdy

I just mentioned that because mac players had this problem and the cure was to fix the userprofile.txt.

But you could have hit the nail on the head with that one.

	03-03-2003 03:28									#25
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I may have found out what I have been doing wrong.

I reinstalled again and again it said no scenario found.

What I have been doing when I launch a game is in setup screen for MP in leader name..say the French, where it gives the name of Napoleon ..I would rename it right there, and say call it Trapoleon Blownaparte...

Now, I have done that for years with WIN98..but since having XP have had these problems
So I tried three variances..as French

First..as Napoleon..saving ten different turns..all can reload
Then in game..as a save renaming it Troll-sp-..ect....and it reloaded

Now I go and start anew game all works
I tried again renaming the leader name from the setup screen and it works fine..

Oh well..will let you know if it is ok...

Peace

Grandpa Troll

	03-03-2003 03:35									#26
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quote: Originally posted by TheBirdMan Blackice - You just gave me a little inspiration.... Grandpa Troll: take a look at your civpath.txt Should look like this: . setup\data\max\ctp_data\videos default english ..\..\ctp_data videos ..\..\scenarios .\save games queues mp scen maps gamedata gamedata\gl aidata uidata uidata\layouts uidata\fonts graphics graphics\sprites graphics\tiles graphics\patterns graphics\pictures graphics\icons graphics\cursors sound

Mine is different....here is a copy from mine:

.
setup\data\max\ctp_data\videos
default
english
..\..\ctp_data
..\..\scenarios<<<<<<<<<>>>>>
.\save
games
queues
mp
scen
maps
gamedata
gamedata\gl
aidata
uidata
uidata\layouts
uidata\fonts
graphics
graphics\sprites
graphics\tiles
graphics\patterns
graphics\pictures
graphics\icons
graphics\cursors
sound
videos<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>

Where I put the arrows..that is where mine is different..mind you the arrows are not in the actual file

Grandpa Troll

	03-03-2003 03:45									#27
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quote: Originally posted by blackice Troll does your userprofile.txt file look like this?: NumPlayers=6 AiOn=Yes UseNiceStart=Yes UseMapPlugin=Yes Difficulty=0 RiskLevel=1 Pollution=Yes UnitAnim=No GoodAnim=No TradeAnim=Yes WaterAnim=Yes LibraryAnim=No WonderMovies=No BounceMessage=No MessageAdvice=Yes TutorialAdvice=No EnemyMoves=Yes RevoltWarning=Yes EnemyIntrude=Yes UnitLostWarning=Yes TradeLostWarning=Yes CityLostWarning=Yes AutoCenter=Yes FullScreenMovies=No AutoSave=No PlayerNumber=1 DefaultCivIndex=16 CivIndex=16 GameName=Another LeaderName=Ramses the Great CivName=Egyptians SaveNote= Gender=0 NoHumansOnHost=No LogPlayerStats=No SfxVolume=5 VoiceVolume=5 MusicVolume=7 XWrap=Yes YWrap=No AutoGroup=No AutoDeselect=Yes AutoSelectNext=Yes AutoSelectFirstUnit=Yes AutoTurnCycle=Yes CombatLog=No UseLeftClick=Yes ShowZoomedCombat=No UseFingerPrinting=No UseRedbookAudio=No RequireCD=No Prophylaxis=No TryWindowsResolution=No ScreenResWidth=1024 ScreenResHeight=768 ZoomedCombatAlways=No AttackEveryone=No NonRandomCivs=No GameWatchDirectory= AutoEndMultiple=Yes WetDry=5 WarmCold=5 OceanLand=3 IslandContinent=5 HomoDiverse=8 GoodCount=5 ThroneRoom=No MaxPlayers=0 MapSize=1 AlienEndGame=Yes UnitCompleteMessages=Yes NonContinuousUnitCompleteMessages=Yes DebugSlic=No DiplomacyLog=No CheatAge=0 DontKillMessages=No AIPopCheat=Yes ShowCityNames=Yes ShowTradeRoutes=Yes UnitSpeed=1 MouseSpeed=5 LeftHandedMouse=0 CityBuiltMessage=Yes UseAttackMessages=No MapPlugin0=dll\\map\\geometric.dll MapPlugin1=dll\\map\\crater.dll MapPlugin2=dll\\map\\plasma2.dll MapPlugin3=dll\\map\\plasma2.dll

Yes..here is mine..with exception of choices in game..all seems correct?


NumPlayers=5
AiOn=Yes
UseNiceStart=Yes
UseMapPlugin=Yes
Difficulty=5
RiskLevel=0
Pollution=No
UnitAnim=Yes
GoodAnim=No
TradeAnim=Yes
WaterAnim=Yes
LibraryAnim=Yes
WonderMovies=Yes
BounceMessage=No
MessageAdvice=Yes
TutorialAdvice=No
EnemyMoves=Yes
RevoltWarning=Yes
EnemyIntrude=Yes
UnitLostWarning=Yes
TradeLostWarning=Yes
CityLostWarning=Yes
AutoCenter=Yes
FullScreenMovies=Yes
AutoSave=Yes
PlayerNumber=1
DefaultCivIndex=16
CivIndex=1
GameName=Trolla
LeaderName=Alexander the Great
CivName=Greeks
SaveNote=
Gender=0
NoHumansOnHost=No
LogPlayerStats=No
SfxVolume=5
VoiceVolume=5
MusicVolume=7
XWrap=Yes
YWrap=Yes
AutoGroup=No
AutoDeselect=Yes
AutoSelectNext=Yes
AutoSelectFirstUnit=Yes
AutoTurnCycle=Yes
CombatLog=No
UseLeftClick=Yes
ShowZoomedCombat=Yes
UseFingerPrinting=No
UseRedbookAudio=Yes
RequireCD=Yes
Prophylaxis=Yes
TryWindowsResolution=No
ScreenResWidth=1024
ScreenResHeight=768
ZoomedCombatAlways=No
AttackEveryone=No
NonRandomCivs=No
GameWatchDirectory=
AutoEndMultiple=Yes
WetDry=4
WarmCold=8
OceanLand=10
IslandContinent=10
HomoDiverse=0
GoodCount=10
ThroneRoom=Yes
MaxPlayers=0
MapSize=3
AlienEndGame=Yes
UnitCompleteMessages=Yes
NonContinuousUnitCompleteMessages=Yes
DebugSlic=No
DiplomacyLog=No
CheatAge=0
DontKillMessages=No
AIPopCheat=Yes
ShowCityNames=Yes
ShowTradeRoutes=Yes
UnitSpeed=6
MouseSpeed=5
LeftHandedMouse=0
CityBuiltMessage=Yes
UseAttackMessages=No
MapPlugin0=dll\\map\\geometric.dll
MapPlugin1=dll\\map\\crater.dll
MapPlugin2=dll\\map\\plasma2.dll
MapPlugin3=dll\\map\\plasma2.dll


Grandpa Troll

	03-03-2003 04:42									#28
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Well I found an interesting security setting in winxp when I enable it I can not join games, when disabled I can.

I am looking at this further and will let you know.

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"I may have found out what I have been doing wrong."

Yup that would do it.

	03-03-2003 04:50									#30
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quote: Originally posted by blackice Well I found an interesting security setting in winxp when I enable it I can not join games, when disabled I can. I am looking at this further and will let you know.

Ok..Thanks Pete