11-02-2003 16:54									#1
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Im not looking for anything in particular, I just need a new game. any suggestions?

	11-02-2003 17:19									#2
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Medieval : Total War is good, a combination of strat. and big "real time" battles. Nice.

Or wait for MoO3 - only 2 or three weeks to go, we hope.

-Jam

	11-02-2003 18:44									#3
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Simcity 4 is the only game I've bought this year, I spend the rest of my time on Asheron's Call 2.

	11-02-2003 18:46									#4
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Is it really any different to Sim City 3000 ? Don't buy unless you've never played a Sim game.

-Jam

	11-02-2003 18:55									#5
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quote: Originally posted by War of Art Is it really any different to Sim City 3000 ?

Hmmm.

Yes!!

quote: Don't buy unless you've never played a Sim game.

I have no idea how playing SimAnt, SimEarth, Sim Tower or any of the others could remotely interfere with your desire to play SC4. My only criticism of it, expressed in other threads, is that you have to self impose mission criteria if those sort of things float your boat. There are none like in SC 2000 where you could be tasked to put out a fire and grow the city by 5000 people in 10 years.

	11-02-2003 18:59									#6
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quote: Originally posted by War of Art Is it really any different to Sim City 3000 ? Don't buy unless you've never played a Sim game. -Jam

Yes, it is very different. SC3000 is a sim game, SC4 is a strategy game.





If you haven't already played them, I have to recomend Europa Universalis 2, or Deus Ex. Of recent games.... hm, well there's not been many. Hearts of Iron is good, but still geting patched up, SC4 is pretty good and MOO3 looks promising but won't be out till the end of the month.

	11-02-2003 19:01									#7
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All these games are basically the same though, and after you work out how to make your city, or whatever, run properly and make money, you have no challenge. I think these games really lack replay value. How many times can one person want to build a grid pattern city? Especially if there are no "goals".

Give me Civ style any day.

-Jam

	11-02-2003 19:08									#8
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quote: Originally posted by War of Art How many times can one person want to build a grid pattern city?

For me, zero. That's why I don't use flat landscapes and build in huge monotonous grid.

That's like asking "how many times can one person want to play as the greeks" about civ. Completely irrelevant and pointless.

	11-02-2003 19:16									#9
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I can always play one more game with the French. Methinks I've touched a raw nerve being rude about SC4. Let me know if you're still playing in 6 months time. No really let me know. If you are, then maybe I'll give it another chance.

-Jam

	11-02-2003 19:29									#10
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quote: Originally posted by War of Art I can always play one more game with the French. Methinks I've touched a raw nerve being rude about SC4. Let me know if you're still playing in 6 months time. No really let me know. If you are, then maybe I'll give it another chance. -Jam

You didn't touch a raw nerve, that was just a stupid thing to say. I won't be playing it in 6 months time (atleast, I don't have any plans to), but I've already played it longer then I did civ3.



Still, it's nothing at all like the previous sim games. As I said; it's a strategy game, not a sim game.

	11-02-2003 19:32									#11
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Really? You must totally hate Civ3. I don't think its perfect, not by a long shot, but I'm still playing, and I've had it since release. The only game I've played more was Civ1.

-Jam

	11-02-2003 21:56									#12
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I prefered Civ 2 to either of the others. I just loved how easy it was to modify to my heart's content.

If you're looking for a game to play you might want to look into Morrowind or Neverwinter Nights. MoO 3 is of course coming out soon, so you may just want to wait for that.

	11-02-2003 22:23									#13
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quote: Originally posted by War of Art Is it really any different to Sim City 3000 ? Don't buy unless you've never played a Sim game. -Jam

Comparing SimCity 4 to SimCity 3000, is like comparing a stone axe to a laser... There's a huge difference (And I'm not only talking about graphics... but gameplay has changed a lot... to the better)

quote: Originally posted by War of Art All these games are basically the same though, and after you work out how to make your city, or whatever, run properly and make money, you have no challenge. I think these games really lack replay value. How many times can one person want to build a grid pattern city? Especially if there are no "goals". Give me Civ style any day. -Jam

That's the good part of this game... you can set your own goal. Your goal could be e.g. to have a certain building (University, large football arena, etc), within a certain time... or set the goal to have everybody loving you...

There's more different ways of playing this game, than there's in Civ type of games...

	11-02-2003 22:46									#14
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quote: Originally posted by War of Art Really? You must totally hate Civ3. I don't think its perfect, not by a long shot, but I'm still playing, and I've had it since release. The only game I've played more was Civ1. -Jam

There are very few games I play 6 months after acquisition these days. Many more games are released that look worth a go. I can afford more games. RPG's aren't intended to take 6 months unless you're a real addict for replays. All sorts of reasons. Civ 3 wasn't one of them. Civ 2, Moo 1&2, MoM, SimCity 2000 all were. I can tell I won't be playing SC 4 non stop but it'll certainly be one I fire up a lot on and off until SC 5 appears...and I'll never have to contact the neighbouring mayor and demand he remove his encroaching policemen from my city again!

	12-02-2003 00:48									#15
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Medieval : Total War its is. I love stuff from the Medieval ages

Ive read a lot of bad things and a lot of good things about sim city 4, im wiating until it hits the 20s in price before buying it.

thanks for the help guys

	12-02-2003 01:59									#16
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Depending on what you like, I have some suggestions:

Strategy: Simcity 4... Hearts of Iron (if you like EU2)...

Action: Battlefield1942 + BF1942Road to Rome (great online play)

Sports: Madden 2003 (best football game out there), NHL 2003 (likewise... best NHL game)

	12-02-2003 07:04									#17
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I already have bf1942, I cant play it online though. my connection is too crappy.

	12-02-2003 08:37									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Osweld For me, zero. That's why I don't use flat landscapes and build in huge monotonous grid.

I find trying to recreate where you live quite amusing, see where the simulation reckons all the crime should be, etc..

	12-02-2003 15:10									#19
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I doubt anyone will be playing SC4 for more than another month........the openendness is ok for a bit but after a while you need some motivation to carry on playing.....thats my take anyway, but I am a prominent Sim-basher I guess.

For games Warcraft3 if you haven't played it was my game of last year......Medieval Total War is also good. For a more action feel UT2003 is worth a look.

	12-02-2003 15:34									#20
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Go Spikie ! Bash those who worship the false idols of Sim games !

-Jam

	12-02-2003 15:52									#21
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quote: Originally posted by War of Art Go Spikie ! Bash those who worship the false idols of Sim games ! -Jam

Hehe my recent 'I hate sim games' thread generated a lot of response..........not all of it entirely relevant mind.

	12-02-2003 18:19									#22
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike I doubt anyone will be playing SC4 for more than another month........the openendness is ok for a bit but after a while you need some motivation to carry on playing.....thats my take anyway, but I am a prominent Sim-basher I guess.

I'd take that bet. City building, railroad building, positive construction is something I like to return to periodically between bouts of destroying the enemy in TBS of all kinds.

quote: For games Warcraft3 if you haven't played it was my game of last year......Medieval Total War is also good. For a more action feel UT2003 is worth a look.

My only criticism of M:TW is that the diplomacy is a joke and once you get big moving all the spies, diplomats, bishops and peripheral stuff around gets incredibly tedious. The battles themselves are fun but against the AI standard tactics will win all but the most heavily outnumbered battles (and other clever tactics are unlikely to save you then.)

	12-02-2003 18:34									#23
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I empathise with your MTW point.........after playing the campaign in STW a lot I didn't bother with the MTW campaign too much. But there are custom battles and more importantly MP.

	12-02-2003 19:18									#24
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Spikie, when I get my new connection I have to take you on at M:TW. Its practically your fault that I'm playing this game so much. (Nearly gave up after getting repeatedly hammered)

-Jam

	12-02-2003 19:23									#25
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Yeah np........I am not actually playing MTW any more.......I'm back to Warcraft3, but I am sure we can work something out.

	12-02-2003 19:34									#26
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Well, I'm on another "please just wait two weeks or so..." Germany really is a "no-service culture" they know that you'll pay, but then you have to wait... and wait...

Maybe I should practice my skills with the old undead

-Jam

	12-02-2003 19:54									#27
	Suffering from ads?

Well if you are on Northrend look me up. I am Dr5pike, and usually in the GBR channels if I am online.

Btw I am usually orc, and orc>undead.

	12-02-2003 19:57									#28
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I take it that you're on a civilised time zone, hmm? Its a pain playing SMAC with Americans. You end up very tired, and they are still fresh. Why can't we all be on GMT? Australians would just have to go to work in the dark.

-Jam

	12-02-2003 19:59									#29
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quote: Originally posted by War of Art Australians would just have to go to work in the dark.

	12-02-2003 21:29									#30
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