12-02-2003 06:31									#1
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What comes after the game is won? Another game? Same constitution? Same government? Same everything, but we start over?

Discuss.

	12-02-2003 06:37									#2
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I want to play the PTW version so we can have 23 AI civs.

	12-02-2003 06:46									#3
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Good question...

I don't know if I prefer for everyone to just play in the inter-site game, everyone just pour their extra energy into the inter-team game, or we do another SPDG with the same constitution from gamestart to see how it works and with the PTW civilizations and rules.

Dunno... perhaps we should have a poll at some point once the options are more ironed out.

	12-02-2003 06:57									#4
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I can assure you that I won't be able to do anything with it anymore.

Is it a good idea to start another C3 DG? Would it suck too much effort out of the IDG? Starting over can be a fairly large task, and the most active DG people at Apolyton usually either devote most of their time to one DG or the other. It might hurt our chance at international victory.

	12-02-2003 07:02									#5
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While there are many similiarities they are two different games, if you look at previous versions the Intersite Demo Game and the Demo Game usually have different forums.

The Demo Game will advance much faster than the Intersite Demo Game as you won't have to wait on as many teams before playing the next turn.

	12-02-2003 07:12									#6
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It's also true that a new single-player Demogame doesn't have the security needs that an inter-site or inter-team MP game does...

So ANYONE can be accepted as a member and we can continue to advertise using NewZupdateZ

Thus the SPDG can serve as a means of recruitment for new blood into the Apolyton DG system of games... which in turn might get us a few new people over time to replace any we lose on the inter-site team.

Of course, we'll have to be very careful with security and only accept people into the inter-site game that we're reasonably sure are loyal to Apolyton (though you can't ever be sure).

Just an idea...

	12-02-2003 07:15									#7
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Yes, I was just thinking that.

The C3DG has been a good way to find new blood. After all, I've just recently met a lot of the C3DG veterans though the PTW DG and IDG.

	12-02-2003 07:19									#8
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I would support disbanding this demogame, except for one crucial element: people cannot join the PTW DGs right away.

Let me explain:

The reason I found this game is originally because I saw an newZupdate on Apolyton, and was curious. I only came to Apolyton occasionally, and was thus not registered. I registered, and joined the demogame. This would have not been possible, if there wasn't an open forum for me to see what a demogame was all about. If there was someone like me out there, and they wanted to join the closed demogames, they would not be trusted because they might be DLs. If we do not have an open democracy game, I fear no one new will be able to participate in the joys of the democracy game.

edit: cross post with Arnelos and Trip - they made this same point too.

	12-02-2003 07:26									#9
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Glad we're all on the same page

	12-02-2003 07:28									#10
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We haven't had enough replies yet, still on page 1.

	12-02-2003 07:43									#11
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Think about this:

C3DG members = 197
IDG members = 62

	12-02-2003 07:45									#12
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About 100 of them just appeared all of the sudden from a cloud of mist.

Besides, how many are active?

We're sure at least 95% of the IDG members are active.

	12-02-2003 08:15									#13
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I'm sure that at least 10 or 12 people will want to continue with the SP DG. It's up to them what they do and how they do it, isn't it?

	12-02-2003 08:26									#14
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither I'm sure that at least 10 or 12 people will want to continue with the SP DG. It's up to them what they do and how they do it, isn't it?

I guess it is.

	12-02-2003 08:42									#15
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Good reasons to continue with a second C3DG.

Only problem is, who's going to play it? I'll definitely be in and vote if another one is run, but I won't take much part in it; I want to either devote more to the PTW DGs, or finally get around to checking out the AC Demogame.

Of course, my early Civ3 game leaves a lot to be desired anyway... but my point is, is anyone willing to take charge in a second C3DG, and be an Exec? Or a minister?

	12-02-2003 09:05									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Panzer32 I would support disbanding this demogame, except for one crucial element: people cannot join the PTW DGs right away.

The Demo Game is our portal.

quote: Originally posted by Kloreep Good reasons to continue with a second C3DG. Only problem is, who's going to play it?

I will. But a PTW game, of course... When you have to move 30 workers in the C3DG, you certainly remember the new features in PTW, like to move stacks of units with 2 clicks...

	12-02-2003 09:57									#17
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* E_T would like to see a 23 civ game

What Civ will we want to play. Shall we keep the Banana in office??

E_T

	12-02-2003 11:31									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Aro I will. But a PTW game, of course... When you have to move 30 workers in the C3DG, you certainly remember the new features in PTW, like to move stacks of units with 2 clicks...

Umm... Can't you do that in 1.29f also? (j + click)

Btw, I might be interested in another SPDG as for one, I dont have nor will ever have PTW and two, IMO SPDG moves along much faster.

Maybe I'll even participate more...

	12-02-2003 12:37									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Torkkeli Umm... Can't you do that in 1.29f also? (j + click)

This is new to me! Thanks, Torkkeli.

	12-02-2003 12:58									#20
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Aro, have you downloaded this:

Civ3 Reference File -- with the real unit/terrain/improvement/etc data

http://apolyton.net/dir/index.php?s...ub_pages&cat=48

from the directory.

It has a lot of useful commands and info.

Last edited by Torkkeli on 12-02-2003 at 18:34

	12-02-2003 17:18									#21
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Interesting... when I click that link, I'm logged in as Torkkeli.

	12-02-2003 17:36									#22
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If I be elected now and my head isn't cut off after term 9, I'm willing to participate in a next game too, This is just too good to stop with. Argument for the recruitment is a good one: I am probably an early example of it. I learned much in the SPDG and I want others have that possibility in the future too.

BTW: we need a smiley who's head is being cut off. Very useful for roleplay.

Aidun

	12-02-2003 18:38									#23
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quote: Originally posted by BigFurryMonster Interesting... when I click that link, I'm logged in as Torkkeli.

Ahh thief!! You stole my session.

Didn't realize it had my session id in the link as well.

Should be corrected by now.

	12-02-2003 19:51									#24
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It would be a good idea to start a new SP C3DG after this one completes, just pick a different civ than Egypt which we've just won as. Perhaps Russia, which shares no traights with Egypt.

The SP C3DG will probably go much faster than the MP one, and the MP won't need Regional Governors for quite a while.

	12-02-2003 23:37									#25
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I say restart a new game, probably with 1.29 so the people without PtW can still join in.

	13-02-2003 00:10									#26
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I agree, GK.

	13-02-2003 00:30									#27
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I prefer to play with PtW, due to the addition of civs and several features, and the fixing of several extremely annoying bugs that existed in 1.29 and will forever exist in Civ3, because Firaxis won't be releasing any more patches for Civ3.
It's mostly the bugs. I don't want to play with a game that gives you a rep hit when an AI breaks an agreement, as if you've broken it, when I have the option to play a version that is free of this bug and a handful of other terrible bugs.

	13-02-2003 01:32									#28
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I would also be in favour of PTW, but would understand if the majority is against it.

As for civs - collectively we won this game ages ago, and could choose to win a number of ways. Why don't we go for a challege? Play as the Koreans!

	13-02-2003 01:43									#29
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A challenge is one thing. Handicapping ourselves is another.
For challenge, I think we should play with the max number of civs at Deity.

	13-02-2003 02:02									#30
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Korea doesn't look too bad to me, they are just a weaker version of the Greeks in the Ancient era, but have Cannons with the fire power of artilery for the late middle ages - early industrial era.

Sure they can't get a GA with their UU, but there are several Ancient & Middle Age Commerical wonders and even if thy miss all of them they ought to be able to trigue their GA by capturing any city with a Commerical wonder and building the Theory of Evolution.

Also, like Greece they should have a good shot at getting Writing first. (AI is bound to bypass Writing because it's realtively expensive.)