12-02-2003 09:19									#1
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Where the hell was Road to Perdition? Are they that influenced by the timing of the release? Sheesh...

	12-02-2003 09:34									#2
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There was a mighty big backlash against road to perdition. It had this massive spurt of acclaim, and then the shift started to go the other way, and all of a sudden people started to gang up on it.
I post on www.rottentomatoes.com and alot of people I know there hate it - it's a messageboard devoted to films like apoly is focused on civ. This is what I've learned about critical bashing of road to p. from them.

	12-02-2003 10:11									#3
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That's so weird. I'll have to check it out. Thanks.

	12-02-2003 10:12									#4
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The movie was OK, but nothing special. Two Towers was easily best movie of the year.

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It was a good movie, but came out so early in the year that it was virtualy forgotten come Oscar time. Newman did get a nod for Supporting actor. Chicago will probably win, given the 13 nomminations.

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Easily? It was easily the biggest dissapointment, I'd say. FOTR was much better.

I'd vote for Gangs of New York or The Pianist.

	12-02-2003 10:17									#7
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Sure, FOTR was better, but TTT was still leaps and bounds above any of the other **** Hollywood put out last year, including and especially Star Wars.

	12-02-2003 10:18									#8
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quote: Originally posted by tandeetaylor Where the hell was Road to Perdition? Are they that influenced by the timing of the release? Sheesh...

Couldn't agree more. That film may be the best of the year. To nominate The Hours instead is a travesty.

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quote: TTT was still leaps and bounds above any of the other **** Hollywood put out last year, including and especially Star Wars.

Nope... Gangs was a better movie.

	12-02-2003 10:22									#10
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quote: Originally posted by GePap It was a good movie, but came out so early in the year that it was virtualy forgotten come Oscar time. Newman did get a nod for Supporting actor. Chicago will probably win, given the 13 nomminations.

Chicago is a bad film, IMHO. Neither my wife nor I liked it.

Pianist or Gangs are the best of the films nominated. I think Pianist will win.

Daniel Day Lewis, though, for best actor since Pacino did not get nominated.

	12-02-2003 10:24									#11
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I'm just angry that Treasure Planet got a nomination over the Powerpuff Girls movie in the Best Animated Feature category. Spirited Away had better win that now.

	12-02-2003 10:26									#12
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quote: I'm just angry that Treasure Planet got a nomination over the Powerpuff Girls movie in the Best Animated Feature category.

How'd I guess you'd be angry over that .

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Except for maybe the scale of the production, I don't see anything about the LOTR movies to make anyone think they're any good. Oh, and that cute elf guy.

Road to Perdition had amazing themes, amazing cinematography, and amazing acting.

	12-02-2003 10:39									#14
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quote: I don't see anything about the LOTR movies to make anyone think they're any good.

A lot of it is played up by Tolkien fanboys. Decent books, but doesn't make it automatically into good movies.

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: I don't see anything about the LOTR movies to make anyone think they're any good. A lot of it is played up by Tolkien fanboys. Decent books, but doesn't make it automatically into good movies.

I really like the first movie. Saw it three times.

I was bored by this one and had a hard time following the plot. There were too many characters popping up and things happening out of the clear blue that made no sense.

I, of course, have not read the books.

	12-02-2003 11:31									#16
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Leo Di Caprio himself has not been nominated! That's a scandal! "Catch me if you can" has not been mentioned at all!

	12-02-2003 11:44									#17
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"Sure, FOTR was better, but TTT was still leaps and bounds above any of the other **** Hollywood put out last year, including and especially Star Wars."
Open your mind - there's more than just star wars and the two towers out there! Great movies like 8 women, adaptation, chicago, talk to her, and such! I am personally rooting for a Chicago win for best picture.

	12-02-2003 11:55									#18
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monolith94, I despised Chicago. Reading the reviews, there are plenty of others like me.

My wife saw Talk to Her. I haven't. She couldn't say enough about it. It is remarkable that Spain did not submit this film as its entry this year.

Gangs of New York is a truly impressive film. So is Pianist.

I also really liked Road to Perdition, Insomnia, When We Were Soldiers and Signs.

	12-02-2003 11:55									#19
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quote: Decent books, but doesn't make it automatically into good movies.

OK, LOTR is a GREAT trilogy, come on now

quote: Great movies like 8 women, adaptation, chicago, talk to her, and such! I am personally rooting for a Chicago win for best picture.

Honestly, I haven't and don't intend to see any of those - they just don't look very good to me.

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okey
kaurismäki will win Osar i can bet it
(mies vailla mnneisyyttä)
jep i don't really care that movie but it's finnish movie

	12-02-2003 13:47									#21
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Yup, but I'm more concerned about the razzies...

	12-02-2003 14:18									#22
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"monolith94, I despised Chicago. Reading the reviews, there are plenty of others like me."

Even more people disagree with you, however!
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/Chicago-1119031/
Out of 159 official reviews, 137 are positive, and 22 are negative.

SORRY!

	12-02-2003 16:20									#23
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quote: Originally posted by The Vagabond Leo Di Caprio himself has not been nominated! That's a scandal! "Catch me if you can" has not been mentioned at all!

Actually, Catch Me If You Can got nominations for best supporting actor (Christopher Walken)and best music score (John Williams).

	12-02-2003 16:51									#24
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oh c'mon folks! Do you really think the BEST movie gets the best movie oscar. I thought Titanic showed quite clearly that it doesnt have anything to do with the overall quality of the movie. At least not any more....

	12-02-2003 17:27									#25
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Rotten Tomatoes is a good site. Check out their page for Spirited Away:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/SpiritedAway-1116064/

125 good, 2 bad.

I would love to see this movie win. I can't really comment on the rest of the categories.

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	12-02-2003 17:35									#26
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I can't believe Road to Perdition got nominated in the Music category. That's the worst film music I've ever heard, bar none.

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This is how I see the fight for the golden statue (I'm merely stating the chances, not my personal favorites)

Best picture - Chicago and Gangs are the strongest competitors. The others have no chances, but The Hours could be a surprise.

Best actor - Daniel Day-Lewis will probably win, despite Jack Nicholson's strong position. But Jack won a few years ago, I don't think he'll manage to win this time.

Best actress - Now we have a tough fight. Nicole Kidman, Renee Zellweger and Julianne Moore are all strong competitors, but I'd bet that the Oscar goes to Nicole.

Best supporting actor - Ed Harris is always there, and he never wins... could this be his opportunity? Personally, I'd say Chris Cooper will get it, but Christopher Walken is also strong.

Best supporting actress - Kathy Bates. Meryl has her chances, of course, but she has been nominated so many times that it's easy to dismiss her. But the Academy loves surprises in this category, so Queen Latifah could be the surprise of this edition.

Best Director - Almodovar is there clearly as a small revenge of the members of the Academy. No one has understanded why Spain did not appoint his movie to be candidate for best foreign language film. The Academy seems to be saying: "hey, we would have chosen his picture if you had appointed it, you morons!". But the Oscar will probably go to Scorsese, he owns it more than the others, and not specifically for Gangs, but for his past work. The Academy loves these kind of late acknowlegement.

Original screenplay - Aha. This could be the surprise. Almodovar misses the best director award but Talk to Her gets best original screenplay.

Adapted screenplay - Chicago or Adaptation. I'd say Chicago.

Animated feature film - No, Spirited Away will not win. Hollywood doesn't like to give a nod to films that got awards in foreign movie festivals (with rare exceptions). We actually have a dispute between traditional animation (Lilo & Stitch) and digital animation (Ice Age). The one with more hype (and sales) will get the Oscar.

Foreign language film - Hero or The Man Without a Past. The others are there merely to fill in the list.

The technical categories are always tough to predict, so I'll end here. But I think that TTT will win for best visual effects.

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quote: OK, LOTR is a GREAT trilogy, come on now

Eh... it's totally overrated. Good, but not great.

	12-02-2003 21:12									#29
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My biggest complaint is the lack of the movies "8 Women" and "Metropolis".
I agree about lotr - Imran.

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Bearing in mind that almost none of the major nominees have made it to Turkey, here's just one quicky pick:

Best Director - Scorsese

Why? Because when they could have offered it to him in 80, they gave it to Redford instead (for "Ordinary People"). And when they could have offered it to him in 90, they gave it to Kevin f*cking Costner. The absence if an Oscar in the hands of the man routinely (and accurately) described as our greatest living film maker is a travesty, and one Oscar will correct this year.