12-02-2003 21:38									#1
	Upcoming scenario: LA GUERRA - The Colombian Civil War 1974-2002 Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

Hi folks!

Now it is time for my latest project, and this time I should say our first project. The ANZAC and I joined up to make a scenario about the Colombian Civil War, and it's almost time for release. I can't promise it'll be within the next couple of days, but it won't be long!



FARC offensive in rural Colombia east of Bogotá...


The paramilitaries have increased their presence at the Panamá border - central for the coca export. But tourists, watch out!

Singleplayer, FW/MGE...

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	12-02-2003 21:55									#2
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Looks great!

	12-02-2003 22:54									#3
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Looks fantastic Insurgent, but what do you mean when you said that you can't promise it will be released this year, but it won't be long? That would be a while in my opinion.

Sorry, but I'm really eager to try this out! There's been a lot of publicity of the war in Colombia in Ireland ever since the 'Colombia 3' were arrested.

On that note, is there anything in the scenario about the Colombia 3 in general, or what their presence there implies if the Colombian Government is to be believed (i.e. can we expect to see IRA advisors giving FARC a hand)?

	13-02-2003 00:54									#4
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Sorry about the "this year" thing. It was a "copy and paste" from a post of mine at Civfanatics, and it was posted in late December. But it will be finished, probably, before the 23rd...

About the IRA, I'm considering a fourth events period which could contain that, but the play testing version that I have sent to other civers doesn't contain that. It would take quite some events space, but I just might do it. It really depends on the time at hand.
If I do involve it, how would you suggest that it is best depicted in the game? I could make a special unit for it if needed, as I have plenty of units slots...(?)

This will precede an update of my other scenarios - all the ones I published are to be found at Civfanatics, and in connection to that - I might just publish them here...

	13-02-2003 01:43									#5
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ETA, the spanish terrorist group is also helping the FARC.

	13-02-2003 05:42									#6
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Yeah, I'm hoping it's released too
But Insurgent hyped it up: all I did was contribute units and some comments/suggestions/info

	13-02-2003 16:42									#7
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It's hard to know how to represent IRA involvement in Colombia, or even if you should. Currently we only have the word of the Colombian government that the IRA are involved and that Connolly and Co. were teaching FARC terrorist techniques.

I think there should be a piece of text in the events file for their arrest in order to indicate the significance of this at least. If you wanted to do more you could represent IRA training by improving the stats of FARC soldiers - as you're already swapping events files, it should't be too much of an effort to create another rules file to allow this at the appropriate time.

	13-02-2003 21:45									#8
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Interesting scenario, no doubt.

It seems that the training the IRA/ETA have given to the FARC centers mainly on urban combat/terrorism, fields in which both groups have lots of experience (nothing related to normal jungle/guerrilla combat), so keep that in mind.

	13-02-2003 22:05									#9
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I'll look at it!

	13-02-2003 22:46									#10
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nice look but what it reguires...

but?

	14-02-2003 00:46									#11
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Another idea - you could also create an IRA advisor unit, which while having no offensive/defensive abilities by itself, could be disbanded by FARC (if controlled by a human player) to give a large shield bonus.

Alternatively if these units are killed by the government, they could receive a cash bonus - think of it as increased US support to deal with international terrorism.

	14-02-2003 00:56									#12
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oh man!

	14-02-2003 01:48									#13
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our_man, I think you just found the best concept.

ottok: it's being made in FW, but also being designed for playability in MGE...

	14-02-2003 22:07									#14
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Sorry, I'm going to be skiing in the holidays - no scenario making from the 15th to the 22nd... But I will make the scenario in the weekdays even if I have to skip school for it! There won't be any more delays after this one...

	15-02-2003 17:02									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Insurgent our_man, I think you just found the best concept. ottok: it's being made in FW, but also being designed for playability in MGE...

So called 2.7.81?
And some scns are also then played the MGE but i am see something:
"if you want points dont use that in MGE!"

	23-02-2003 21:53									#16
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quote: Originally posted by ottok So called 2.7.81? And some scns are also then played the MGE but i am see something: "if you want points dont use that in MGE!"

2.7.81, yes.

The last bit ...? I'm afraid I don't understand, please clarify...

	23-02-2003 22:48									#17
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So how are you going to deal with the fact that if the guerillas ever took control that the U.S. would show up in a very big way?

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quote: Originally posted by ottok So called 2.7.81? And some scns are also then played the MGE but i am see something: "if you want points dont use that in MGE!"

I think that, ottok, you refer to the objetive points that doesn't work very well in MGE

	27-02-2003 21:08									#19
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@DarthVeda: I'm not taking that into account - I reached the conclusion that
1. The Americans didn't show up immediately and very forcefully in Cuba, American intervention is excluded in this scenario. I don't think the Americans would engage in an open full-scale jungle war against guerillas in Colombia. There is American activity, not intervention.
2. It would simply be too difficult to do, manage, take up too much events space.

@yaroslav: Yes, I've been complaining a lot about that too, and I've taken it into account this time: there will exclusively be single objective cities (possible more with wonders, but no "Major objective cities").

	06-03-2003 23:33									#20
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I hereby declare the scenario 99% finished! I only need a little final playtesting (by myself) to test if the changes I made after the other playtests are working...

I might just add that there is a fourth events file series. US Radar Posts and IRA/ETA assistance for FARC has been added!

	07-03-2003 04:49									#21
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That's good, can't wait to play

	07-03-2003 10:57									#22
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If either of you guys are interested, the order of battle of the Columbian Army circa 2000 is available at: http://www.tbns.net/ijrikhye/oob/si...a/army2000.html (there's a 2001 update at www.orbat.com but you have to pay for it).

BTW, are you including the possibility of US intervention? According to orbat.com a US National Guard air mobile brigade has recently been mobalised following rummors that such a force would be sent to Columbia...

	07-03-2003 16:47									#23
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Yeah, I've looked at the BoB, but as you might have noticed, the scenario begins in 1974...

About Am. intervention:

quote: Originally written by myself on previous page @DarthVeda: I'm not taking that into account - I reached the conclusion that 1. The Americans didn't show up immediately and very forcefully in Cuba, American intervention is excluded in this scenario. I don't think the Americans would engage in an open full-scale jungle war against guerillas in Colombia. There is American activity, not intervention. 2. It would simply be too difficult to do, manage, take up too much events space.

- Besides, it ends in 2002 and the possibility of US intervention is only heating up now...

	07-03-2003 22:50									#24
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How big it is (.zip)?

	08-03-2003 02:10									#25
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1.73 Megs

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Title.gif,can you attached (or what it word is) it there?
if it is.

	08-03-2003 17:47									#27
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Sure!

I uploaded the scenario to Civfanatics and am now waiting for Thunderfall to publish it. When he has done that - it will be published on Apolyton too.

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	08-03-2003 20:30									#28
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The Anzac?

	08-03-2003 23:11									#29
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Yes that would be me

I made some graphics for Insurgent: he's being much to kind by listing me as a co-creator

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ok, i see.