12-02-2003 22:55									#1
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GeneralTacticus, governor of Centralis, has in the last turnchat mentioned his desire to rush the Ascetic Virtues after we have discovered Planetary Economics. This because Morgan is only three turns away from building it for himself. There is no way to complete the project without rushing. So if we want that SP, our only opportunity is to hurry it next turn.
Now my question to all citizens is: do you want to rush the AV, and how?
Options are:
Rush it purely with energy credits. (cost: 800 ec)
Rush it with energy credits after the two available crawlers are cashed in. (cost: 600 ec)
Don't rush it. Let Morgan have it. (cost: 0 ec)

	12-02-2003 23:10									#2
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Is this meant to be a multiple choice poll?

edit- I also think those estimates are a tad conservative, since the AV is a 300 min project. The estimates are probably good enough though, if the rushes are done with no overrun.

Last edited by Cedayon on 12-02-2003 at 23:15

	12-02-2003 23:19									#3
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Err... no. But I hope I can trust people to vote only on a single option, so I won't have to declare this poll invalid.

	12-02-2003 23:20									#4
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Ah yes, I calculated those rush costs with zero overrun. Since New Apolyton is producing about 25 minerals, this should mean 25x4=100 less than a full rush.

	12-02-2003 23:23									#5
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Oh, 4 is the multiplier for a SP past 10 mins? I thought it was 3.

Will the "Yes, full ec rush" option count for the "Yes, with 2 crawlers" if neither has 50%+1 votes but are obviously beating "No" if put together?

	12-02-2003 23:41									#6
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Yes I think that would be most fair.
(Why do I suddenly get the feeling no one will vote for the second option... )

	12-02-2003 23:50									#7
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k, voted rush with cash alone... we're swimming in ecs, this is important, and those crawlers would take time to replace...

Just to let everyone know, this SP will mean that each base can hold 2 more pop units (ie all those 9s can become 11s, even without hab complexes) and the +1 police will mean our military-units-out-of-territory will only cause 1 drone each rather than 2. That's worth 800-900 ecs, considering we've got over 3500, right?

	13-02-2003 03:10									#8
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correct. rush it with cash.

	13-02-2003 03:18									#9
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virtue is discipline! rush the ascetic virtues! (with cash alone)

	13-02-2003 05:34									#10
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Agreed. Rush with cash. Though next time, it would be better if instead of just building the project like this, we continuously build crawlers and used cash to rush those as necessary (Say, when there'd be a greater than 10 overrun after the next turn). It saves a lot when you don't have to rush at 4 credits for every mineral, which is what all SP are.

	13-02-2003 09:33									#11
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Cash alone, crawlers could be put to better use.

	13-02-2003 12:22									#12
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Rush it with cash alone. Better to have virtue than money.

-Jam

	13-02-2003 12:49									#13
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I'd not be so quick to dismiss the use of at least one crawler (even if it is a rather moot point in view of the current voting); one crawler will save us 30 minerals that we would otherwise have to rushbuy, totalling 120 ECs. Given that the crawlers can be produced at a rate of one per turn by our central bases if we wish, this would mean that at the cost of one turn's production, we've effectively produced 120 ECs - quite a good investment, wouldn't you say?

	13-02-2003 18:01									#14
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A crawler or two is definately a good thing for this... and I think you, as Centralis Governor, probably have the authority to "sacrifice" one of your own crawlers... but wouldn't it be better to just keep the crawler and get a few mins/nuts/energy a turn for it? Or save it for something that we actually can't buy? (which would be the Ascent or something like that)

	13-02-2003 21:45									#15
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Rush with cash alone. 200 less credits will not make much of a difference now that we are in Free Market mode. Two less crawlers on the other could make a significant difference for the city that will have to sacrify them.

Just my 2 cents on the subject

	14-02-2003 11:56									#16
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Well, the crawler I had originally planned to use was from TBIBTU, which will have another done next turn and won't miss the extra mineral production in the meantime.

	15-02-2003 15:24									#17
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Just ruch how dosn't matter