13-02-2003 00:24									#1
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quote: "Indeed surely this year will I lead my steed and hurl it, and my soul, at one of the targets ... and I become a martyr," Imran Khan, who runs Ansaar in the Midlands city of Birmingham, translated the tape as saying.

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	13-02-2003 00:26									#2
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What's Martydom? is that some sort of act when one becomes a Marty?

	13-02-2003 00:29									#3
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Martydom is the fanatical muslim belief that you will die fighting Allah's enemies.

The translation I saw didn't say anything like that quote and I doubt that fat bearded git would ever have the balls to do anything other then tell his followers to kill themselves.

	13-02-2003 00:30									#4
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I prefer Martygrah.

	13-02-2003 00:31									#5
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Not strictly a Muslim thing.
Joan of Arc is a martyr, for instance.

	13-02-2003 00:33									#6
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Yes, but you never here any Christian church groups calling for its members to become Martyrs. Arab culture is much more fatalistic and unfortunately many people seem facinated with death and martyrdom.

	13-02-2003 00:34									#7
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Jesus was a martyr too, so are most of the christian Saints.

If the huge paintings/statues of Christ on the cross in Christian culture isn't a glorification of martyrdom I don't know what is.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=martyr

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Dan Snyder will fire him from the Al Quaida head coaching job, and he'll be forced to take a job coaching Hezbollah in San Diego?

My prediction: The new guy hired to run AQ will be all talk and glitz, but they'll actually wind up blowing up fewer buildings in the 2003 season.

	13-02-2003 00:37									#9
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quote: Martydom is the fanatical muslim belief that you will die fighting Allah's enemies

I think you'e confusing it with Martyrdom.

	13-02-2003 00:38									#10
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Isn't that Egyptian doctor fanatic the #2 in AQ?

	13-02-2003 00:41									#11
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet Jesus was a martyr too, so are most of the christian Saints. If the huge paintings/statues of Christ on the cross in Christian culture isn't a glorification of martyrdom I don't know what is. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=martyr

You're missing the point entirely FP. The Christians honor people who died defending the cause but they don't go out and actively promoting and encouraging people to kill themselves. Nor do they encourage sucide attacks to kill children.

(School buses are the #1 target for muslim fanatics in the middle east)

	13-02-2003 00:43									#12
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There are Good Martyrs and Bad Martyrs.

Whoever quarterbacks the Chicago Bears, is a bad martyr.

	13-02-2003 00:46									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin You're missing the point entirely FP.

Actually I mostly agree with you ... I'm just playing devil's advocate (or being an *******, whichever you prefer ).

	13-02-2003 00:49									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Kaak Link

That would be quite remarkable. As a general rule the top guys NEVER blow themselves up, they "lead and inspire", they let the low level followers do the die for islam thing. (it could be argued that our generals dont die in combat much, but at least we're trying to help our soldiers keep from getting killed, not telling them to love and pursue death)
I'll wait and see.

	13-02-2003 01:04									#15
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i think he is probably on his deathbed. It is easy to say "i'm going to make a martyr out of myself" if one is already close to death. theoretically, they could even throw his corpse at something. charred remains would leave the time and method of death difficult to discern

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