13-02-2003 02:25									#1
	Turn 53, 1670BC Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

To be edited by the leaders of the Scholia.

Status:
- Researching Writing at 100%, ready in 1 turn.
- 70 gold cash, -2 per turn, sliders to be adjusted this turn

Urgent questions:
- none

Military:
- The warrior near Tempest moves in the city, and the warrior out of the city moves towards the incense desert

Economy:
- Worker #1 moves onto the game forest to prepare to chop, then irrigate, then road. (He can hook up the horses after that and still be ready around the time the barracks is.)
- Rearrange laborers in EotS to gain as many shields as we can without compromising growth.
- Change EotS build order to settler.
- According to Vox, we just got contact with RP, so we may get Writing this turn. If so, go ahead and offer it to Vox as a gift consistent with our tech deal so they can start on Philosophy immediately, and start on Code of Laws at 100%. If not, adjust the science slider to avoid wasting gold.

Diplomacy:
- discussion whether we continue the GL or not, and how we involve Vox in it
- Vox has agreed to the formalized research partnership agreement.
- Should now have in-game contact with RP. Check tech costs to see if there are any surprises regarding what techs RP does and doesn't have.

Last edited by nbarclay on 13-02-2003 at 10:29

	13-02-2003 02:52									#2
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph Economy: - Worker #1 moves onto the fur forest to prepare to chop, then irrigate, then road. (He can hook up the horses after that and still be ready around the time the barracks is.)

just nit-picking: you probably mean the game forest...

DeepO

Edit by Nathan: Thanks for the catch; I fixed it.

	13-02-2003 03:18									#3
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How about naming the spearman? i think someone mentioned we would stop using silly names for units once we have veterans- so how about something royal or at least noble? or maybe some real military name?

Perhaps: "1st corps of the Tempest Guard"? (hmm... "the Tempest Guard"- a good name for our army, now that i think of it).
Or maybe: "His Tempest's Zealots", or simply "Zealots", maybe "Tempest Hounds". I just want a name that would make me feel we have an army, not a band of moron neanderthals...

	13-02-2003 03:19									#4
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Zeit, check the "3rd PBEM" thread please.

	13-02-2003 04:47									#5
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I just got a note back from Beta. The techs should arrive this turn. Edit: But they won't, because he forgot when he played the turn (according to a more recent messge). The good news is that we should now have contact with RolePlay, so we're no longer faced with an in-game contact monopoly.

Last edited by nbarclay on 13-02-2003 at 09:41

	13-02-2003 10:31									#6
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I made a couple edits to the Diplomacy section, one reflecting the fact that Vox has agreed to the research partnership agreement we ratified and the other noting that we should now have contact with RolePlay and suggesting checking tech costs.

	13-02-2003 19:33									#7
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Posting this here due to lack of a more suitable thread:
It appears that ND doesn't talk much to the other teams. Perhaps they're feeling somewhat isolated, because they're from a different civ site. If we strike a friendly conversation with their representatives, we might get ourselves a good friend, much like the way that a blind person that is able to see after surgery falls in love with the first person he sees.

	13-02-2003 20:13									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Shiber Posting this here due to lack of a more suitable thread: It appears that ND doesn't talk much to the other teams. Perhaps they're feeling somewhat isolated, because they're from a different civ site. If we strike a friendly conversation with their representatives, we might get ourselves a good friend, much like the way that a blind person that is able to see after surgery falls in love with the first person he sees.

Probably that, and that only a handful of them speak english. And I daresay that we have more German speakers than the other teams, probably even combined. Perhaps a friendly note in the native tongue would get the ball rolling?

	13-02-2003 20:27									#9
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Ich kunte est probieren....

no, not even gonna try.
(sorry, but my German isn't any better than Jean-Marie Pfaff's )

Sir Ralph...?

	13-02-2003 20:49									#10
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Asleep, that's an excellent idea! I stayed in Mainz for a couple of weeks as part of a students exchange program and judging from my experience, most Germans don't speak English very well. Can the German members of the team confirm/deny this?
In any case, addressing them in their native tongue will surely break the ice.

	13-02-2003 20:54									#11
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quote: Originally posted by alva Ich kunte est probieren.... no, not even gonna try. (sorry, but my German isn't any better than Jean-Marie Pfaff's ) Sir Ralph...?

Ich könnte es probieren.

Ok, not a problem as long as you don't want me to translate every word of their diplomatic notes and are content with short abstracts.

I'm a member of their site too, even with the same nickname, but have cool 8 posts in the last year, opposed to 3000 here. And I'm of course unable to enter their private forum.

So I'm willing to be the envoy to Neu Demogyptica, if the people of GS accepts it.

	13-02-2003 21:01									#12
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Sounds most logical, Sir Ralph. I understand German too (at least as good as Jean-Marie), so apart from the abstracts, both myself and Alva should keep an eye out for things you might miss.

DeepO

	13-02-2003 21:02									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Shiber Asleep, that's an excellent idea! I stayed in Mainz for a couple of weeks as part of a students exchange program and judging from my experience, most Germans don't speak English very well. Can the German members of the team confirm/deny this?

The English of the average German is worse than the English of the average Finn and most likely the average Israeli, but better than the English of the average French. I'd say on a scale of 1 (worst) to 5 (best), it's somewhere between 2 and 3. Personally, I have no problems to write in English, but my pronouncation is awful and even if you could make me say something (which is unlikely), you probably wouldn't understand a word.

	13-02-2003 21:12									#14
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quote: but my pronouncation is awful and even if you could make me say something (which is unlikely), you probably wouldn't understand a word.

Your written English is excellent, though.

You are the natural choice for envoy to ND.

-Arrian

	13-02-2003 21:41									#15
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I agree that Sir Ralph would be an excellent choice as envoy to ND. Thanks for agreeing to do it!

Nathan

	13-02-2003 22:23									#16
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I stand behind Arrian's words.
Sir Ralph, I'm sure you'll make an excellent ambassador!

	14-02-2003 04:27									#17
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Hey hey hey!, what about the (interim) chief diplo's approval?


Well, of course Sir Ralph will make an excellent ambassador- and hopefuly the assigned one (alva) doesn't mind that Sir Ralph takes his post. If not, than just go ahead- send a message to Borc (maybe in their site as well) announcing yourself and all that-and make us proud.

	14-02-2003 04:52									#18
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Also- isn't this just great all the teams are buying the contacts with us from Vox?

I guess research will be even faster in the near future- until the conflicts break and while everyone deals with everyone- it is going to be hectic, and we should decide on whom we focus and who we rather play "hard to get" with. RPG and ND can both be profitable to us, perhaps for the long term as well, but soon GoW and LI will have contacts with us as well, we'll have ample of option then. Do we want to push RPG a bit farther towards commiting themselves to Lit. for CoL?
I think we should, in this uncertain world, there is nothing better to grip on than a trusty trade partner (with the prospect of more than that). Perhaps as a token of goodwill (to compensate RPG for the cost of contact with us) we can send them some gold (10 or so), it might help them make their minds...

	14-02-2003 05:02									#19
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zeit, I was thinking on that same deal, but wanted to wait a little. We still have time to arrange it, and waiting until after approval of the Codex would be good, I think. It will certainly ease negotiations between us and RPG...

First, I like to get Ninot up to speed, last message he answered that he was not going to bother answering my questions at that time, if he doesn't get back to me soon, I plan on asking him again. RPG, just as Lego, seem to be having transition problems, which I think come from both being busy, and not spending enough attention on their diplo contacts. It is a hectic time for everyone, with everyone meeting, and the tension between Lux and ND, so the teams that are holding elections now are disadvantaged.

DeepO

	14-02-2003 05:48									#20
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You are right about transition problems- this seems to plague other teams seriously- even Panzer32 and UnOthOdOx didn't respond for quite some time, and an active session of talks with Vox takes place only when Beta or Jon take their time to give us some attention.

I'm pretty suprised the other teams aren't taking diplomacy more seriously, like they take trash talking in the main board, for example....

	14-02-2003 21:23									#21
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Ok, playing the turn.

Btw, the thread has a crap name (just like the previous had), it's not really 1670BC, but 1700BC. Taking this in account now.

First the news:

- We have contact with Roleplay. No techs to trade them, as expected.
- We already discovered Writing this turn.

	14-02-2003 21:26									#22
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Exactly what I'd hoped would happen with Writing.

	14-02-2003 21:34									#23
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Team Scores:

92 (+2) Gathering Storm
101 (+1) Demogyptica
80 (+2) Glory of War
98 (+2) Role Play
75 (+1) Vox Controli
73 (+1) Lux Invicta
113 (+2) Legoland

Dissidentville grew to size 2. Making a research cost analysis now...

	14-02-2003 21:43									#24
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Advance	Points	Theoretical cost	Beakers to research
Mathematics	8	192	192
Philosophy	6	144	144
Code of laws	10	240	240
Literature	10	240	240
Map Making	12	288	288
Warrior Code	3	72	60
Mysticism	4	96	80

	14-02-2003 21:46									#25
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Army compared with Roleplay: average
Army compared with Vox: strong

Gifting Writing to Vox, and setting research to CoL at 100%. Ready in 12 turns.

I send an extra pack of screenshots today, coming in a few minutes.

	14-02-2003 21:51									#26
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Beautiful!