13-02-2003 15:09									#1
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So far all the empire settings are maximized. But our empire is growing. Specially if we attack far cities from Pedrunnia. The distance from capital and war distress in the cities to come may obligate us to make more popular decisions to keep our city happy.

As you all lnow we can
- increase the Rations reducing the growth of our empire;
- decrease the Workhour reducing the production in our cities;
- increase the Wages reducing the gold and science of our empire.

So which one of these setting should we priorize the less?

	13-02-2003 15:25									#2
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While being at war, the wages should be changed to offset the mali in hapiness.
If not at war , go for production.

Can't vote this, not having those options

But if needed, I would vote for wages.

	13-02-2003 18:53									#3
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I abstained. Like Gilg, I agree it really depends on the situation. If you ask what's the least important thing right now, I'd say wages, but I strongly disagree with increasing the wages now.

	13-02-2003 20:09									#4
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should be decided in the actual situation for short time issues if needed. if going for a longer time (more than one gamechat) it should be decided by a poll again.

	13-02-2003 20:22									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Zaphod Beeblebrox should be decided in the actual situation for short time issues if needed. if going for a longer time (more than one gamechat) it should be decided by a poll again.

Probably Just for this chat! Never more than two!!! Even if i believe the result will be the same.

	13-02-2003 22:33									#6
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Well most important are now science and production, so increasing food rations is left.

-Martin

	14-02-2003 01:08									#7
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The least important is wages. We should starve the people to the point of where they are on the verge of revolt but not quite there.

	14-02-2003 02:02									#8
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I think the smallest long term impact would be to neglect wages for now.

	14-02-2003 02:22									#9
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by voting for Food i hope i am saying i think we should increase food allowence by one move to the right on the empire settings. It will increase happiness and allow us to be a bit more flexible when we have to move troops out of cities.

EDIT: I think there is still some confusion over what 'Maxed out' means?
All the way to the left or all the way to the right?
Or Food on minimum setting(to the left) or maximum(to the right)?
Production to the left(min) or right(highest production)?
Gold to the left(min) or right(Max wages)?

Screenshot? Im guessing that they are all to the right which i think isn't the most efficient settings for growth or science(MrBaggins tell me if i'm wrong). And if this is the case then i can't see why our cities are not estatic and the happiest ever(more than 71/72 etc).

If they are all the way to the left then i think we could increase food to improve happiness - it shouldn't make a huge difference to efficency(again Mrbaggins?).

Maybe i'm the only one confused(these darn late shifts)?
Maybe in SAP its good to have them like this?

Er sorry for being a bore with all this

Last edited by child of Thor on 14-02-2003 at 03:09

	14-02-2003 03:13									#10
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We need to keep science and production to their maximum so I think we should raise the ration setting one level up. IMHO raising the other settings would be a mistake.

	14-02-2003 03:27									#11
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quote: Originally posted by child of Thor EDIT: I think there is still some confusion over what 'Maxed out' means? All the way to the left or all the way to the right? Or Food on minimum setting(to the left) or maximum(to the right)? Production to the left(min) or right(highest production)? Gold to the left(min) or right(Max wages)?

Max out means that the empire gets the most of it. It means get the most food get the most production and get the most gold for science. So that means rations for our people are set at the minimum so that stored food for growth is maxed out. Work day is set to the maximum so that the gotten production for PW and build items is maxed out. Wages is set to an minimum so that the gold that is left for science and our rush buy reserve is maxed out.

quote: Originally posted by child of Thor Maybe i'm the only one confused(these darn late shifts)? Maybe in SAP its good to have them like this?

To make one thing clear we are playing GoodMod for ApolytonPack 2.0. I also did some balancing and played with the slider happiness effect on later governments. So not everything in GoodMod for ApolytonPack 2.0 is equal in ApolytonPack 2.0.

Now for the slider settings, increasing wages will reduce our science output and as we want Monarchy as soon as possible that would not be good. As we have as war right now going we need production for building up and reinforcing our army. So the only thing we can give our people is more food.

-Martin

	14-02-2003 03:54									#12
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Phew! thanks martin that cleared it up completly for me.
So yeah i still think a single increase in food might be a good idea for the next 10 turns or something, whatever gives us most flexibility to move troops around when we need to. Whats the hard facts behind this? Will our growth be badly effected? Could we put up with it or not?

	14-02-2003 05:28									#13
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quote: Originally posted by child of Thor Phew! thanks martin that cleared it up completly for me. So yeah i still think a single increase in food might be a good idea for the next 10 turns or something, whatever gives us most flexibility to move troops around when we need to. Whats the hard facts behind this? Will our growth be badly effected? Could we put up with it or not?

I think our growth won't be badly effected, our cities will only grow a little bit slower that is actual not a big deal and if we will do it only for the next 10 turns then it haven't such an huge impact. But I consider the loss of science and production as a little bit more serious issure. As we see the loss of one or two turns of science immediatly. And that is also true for production if the completeness of a unit takes one or two more turns.

-Martin

	14-02-2003 05:54									#14
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well, sliders can be adjusted every turn, so raise the food given to the people, but only when needed, not as a general rule for now.

	14-02-2003 08:47									#15
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are we sure we're gonna use the sliders?

	14-02-2003 13:56									#16
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if its neccessary, yes

	15-02-2003 00:47									#17
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Yes, using the sliders is a very useful tool when you need to prioritise quickly. I'm not saying abuse them, just change them a little when it will help most for specific problems.

	15-02-2003 06:43									#18
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some cities are happy, and the rest just need alittle martial law, right?