15-02-2003 08:44									#1
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Would the Minister of Trade deign to offer his suggestions about potential trade routes and uses of Freights? It's possible that some of us Citizens would like to have some say in the matter.

While we are all delighted with the Minister of Trade's ideas for city-planning and military actions, we are somewhat curious about his recommendations for actual trade routes.

	15-02-2003 09:08									#2
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ah, I'm working on it - i wanted to try and see if i could get samson's formulas a little more ironed out for domestic delivery for things like oil - i do have a couple suggestions (a couple also in my prelim freight info):
1) leon gems to avila (i think that could be a big delivery, even domestic since demanded, diff conts and avila has superhighways - avila is our biggest worker trade arrow city, Leon is one of the biggest without superhighways)
2) Wanted to see if i could calculate the cloth deliveries north to Greater Naples - might work even as small cities due to distance
3) Since we could lose the beijing trade routes with CAPITOL, wanted to see if i could calculate trade bonus of Wine to Obladi vs possible Leptis Parva delivery
4) we already have a gold freight in route from cordoba to greater naples (couple of cities that can use it), wanted to see kind of delivery there would be from capitol (shouldn't lose a trade route from capitol so should could be renewing)
5) Do we want to wait for a transport for freeport before sending the panama canal gems to the Chinese?
6) I'd like to get the Cadiz silk to the japanese
7) wanted to try and figure out what sort of domestic rates we'd get for oil vs foreign deliveries
8) I'd suggest salt to the Japanese, but again wanted to see what sort of deliveries to expect

feel free to discuss

	15-02-2003 22:27									#3
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Well, I don't mind some suggestions on military since escorts are playing a large role.

It is nice to see some actual trade suggestions.



Looks good to me. The more deliveries we get, the closer we get to Fusion Power.

For salt it might be better to toss in a domestic delivery- less risk, and maybe similar benefits.

Do you have any ideas as to the payoff?

Also, you should also remember the bonus for differing continents applies to our own cities as well as the AI cities.

Will poll once I work out all the details of my plan for this turn.

	15-02-2003 23:03									#4
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Here's another rough draft of the trade report for freight

Current Commodity freights:
Breakdown by City, Type
CAPITOL (Oil, Wine, Gold)
Saragossa (Oil)
Pamplona (Oil)
Cordoba (Oil)
Valencia (Cloth)
WhereItsAt town (Cloth)
Leon (Salt, Gems)
shady trees (Salt)
Cadiz (Silk)
Panama Canal (Gems)

Cities currently proposed for freight or freight next and proposed builds
Amazon Island (Oil, Gold) -> Gold
Avila (Hides) -> Hides
Cadiz (Gold, Spice) -> suggest Spice - Xinjian and Osaka demand it
CAPITOL () -> food
Cavebear City (Silk, Oil, Salt) ->Silk
Leon: () -> Silk
St Praski: (Gold, Oil) -> tossup
Turin: (Silk, Oil, Cloth) - Oil
Valencia: (Silk, Hides) - suggest Silk
Vigo: (Silk, Wool) - suggest Silk

thoughts:
Avila: city has our biggest max in base trade, and has SH
Cadiz: Xinjian and Osaka demand spice, both at least size 12 foreign rep cities
CAPITOL: if we deliver one of the supplied freights, we should be able to unblock something, in the mean time ->food
Leon: if we deliver the Gems, i'm almost certain we can create a Silk supply there
St praski: Gold would block delivery in naples, but a smaller city might work
Turin: Oil if it hasn't been blocked - Turin is too small to replace most foreigh trade routes


Still having problems getting predictor formulas to work for deliveries