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Dr Strangelove
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Originally posted by TheStinger
We like tp remember our catholic persecuting past |
Evidently the Catholics of France like to remember their protestant persecuting past. There were over one half million protestants in France before the St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre, but only a few thousand managed to escape. In keeping with usual practice in Caholic Europe at the time heretics were not permitted the option of saving their lives by converting, so it would appear that the French were much more efficient than the English in this matter.
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catullus
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Norway
Jan 1970
time: 06:25
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quote:
Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Did you forget about the Norman conquest? Though of Viking descent they were after all technically French.
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They were even hardly of Viking descent. A small band of Norse raiders was given land as a ruling class in Normandie, it never was any mass migration of Norsemen to France. The conquest of Britain was basically a French victory, fought and won by French soldiers, where some of the French leaders may have had a Norwegian pirate as great-grandfather or something.
Anyway, it was a good joke. No harm should have been taken.
What concerns me more is the French-bashing I've seen examples of in USAnian media lately. Equally the retoric against other allies not applauding your current policies (like Germany, or the rest of the world, Britain excluded), or even the constant efforts to make fun of the dissidents still brave enough to raise their voices (Michael Moore especially, the Hollywood left generally).
The virulent hatred I've seen in some news articles is disturbing. Seems like your media have fallen victim to the blood haze, and I'm not amused by seeing the world's by far most powerful nation being led by a certified incompetent born-again fanatic, while your once outstanding free and outspoken press has been reduced to his personal guard dog.
Believe me. Some of us are saddened and even frightened.
But I digress.
C.
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EDWINADOLLY
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Europe
Feb 2003
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It concerns me too,and I think it's disgusting.I have very many American friends on the net,they are lovely people,but if I heard them talk about France like this?,then they would no longer be my friend.
Also,the British public are NOT with bullsh*t Blair on this,he is just another dictator and he doesn't care what us voters think at home,so long as he thinks he looks smart on the world stage...
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"What concerns me more is the French-bashing I've seen examples of in USAnian media lately. Equally the retoric against other allies not applauding your current policies (like Germany, or the rest of the world, Britain excluded), or even the constant efforts to make fun of the dissidents still brave enough to raise their voices (Michael Moore especially, the Hollywood left generally)."
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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:25
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To Europeans, about the US today:
While I myself don't buy this way of thinking, as far as I can tell, America today are acting so hysterically because they are hysterical.
The US does not have an intimate relation with the Horrors of war as so much of the rest of the world does. The only war in which Americans have seen widespread devastation brought upon their own homes and land was self-enflicted and over 140 years ago. France lost more men in WW1 than the US lost in WW1,WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Spanish American War, War of Independence, War of 1812, Mexican American war, and every other single armed enocunter the US has particiapted in, outside of the Civil War. And the US is such a bigger state to beign with. So then comes 9/11, and this bubble of invencibility, which so many posters try to radiate so strongly, all of a sudden goes *puff*. 3000 American civilains dead, and all the tanks, planes, missiles, technology, that the US prides itself on, worthless to stop it. So now, America, given a small taste of the horrors of mass destruction, has gone into overdrive to make itself safe again. Anything they are told will make them feel just a simdgeon better and safer, they will approve off, whether it actually does or not. If Americans then spew vitrol at anyone that does not go along with them, its because they feel that dam it, we help others, now everyone should come and help us be safe.
Hopefully the hysteria will die down before too much happens: but the next time somebody goes hyperjingo, give them a hug: they need it.
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Dr Strangelove
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Originally posted by dannubis
besides from the second world war, in which a lot of nations fought, name me one american victory that actually made some serious long lasting changes in benefit for the local populace ... |
Which local populace? How many mutli-national conflicts have there been since the birth of the USA? I count the Napoleonic Wars, WW1, WW2, the Korean conflict, and the Gulf War. The US participated marginally in the Napoleonic Wars. The result of its participation in that series of wars was a better understanding between the US and Britain, a desirable outcome. The US participated in WW1. Some consider US involvement in this war to have been critical to the allied victory. Certainly US troops helped stabilize allied lines during Germany's last offensive in 1918, and supplies from the US kept the allies from suffering the unrest that was the coup de grace for Germany.
Personally I'd love to visit France some day if they promise not to poop on me.
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Dr Strangelove
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quote:
Originally posted by Dry
Could you specify which calendar you are using?
By mine it happened the 24 august 1572. |
Well whaddayaknow? Fridayy the 13th of October, 1307 was the date that the King of France ordered the Knights Templar put to the sword. Since the Pope declared them to be heretics, and since (some) believe them to be the forerunners of the freemasons tha prtyy much makes them sort of an early form of protestant. Well, I knew it had something to do with some type of persecution enjoyed by French Catholics
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