17-02-2003 01:29									#31
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Can't answer my question?

	17-02-2003 01:32									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer Can't answer my question?

Jesus H Christ, how can you do these little semantics games? No, I do not believe Europe is done with war.

Now, would YOU answer my question, and thus make your own argument. Which war is being postponed by the US troop presence in Europe? Where is the link?

	17-02-2003 01:33									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer Can't answer my question?

I do hope that once America is done with its Ego trip, it'll learn to fix its public education systems....I believe that it would be for the better.

	17-02-2003 01:38									#34
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Damn! A thread like this would have to appear while I'm away from my books.

	17-02-2003 01:40									#35
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What books?

	17-02-2003 01:40									#36
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Jakko, the one you just said could happen.

	17-02-2003 01:41									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer Jakko, the one you just said could happen.

So you never had any intention of making a coherent argument? This is what I hate about Apolyton, everyone's either a troll or a blithering idiot.

	17-02-2003 01:44									#38
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Well Jaakko, take comfort in the fact that you're not a troll.

	17-02-2003 01:45									#39
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This will have to do for now. I can give more support for the arguement when I get back to my dorm room.

	17-02-2003 01:45									#40
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HEY... discuss the issues, NOT THE MEMBERS!

	17-02-2003 01:47									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer Jakko, the one you just said could happen.

So basically what you're implying is that us savage and bloody-minded europeans, warlike creatures that we are, would have gotten involved in a vast transcontinental war ages ago were it not for the pacifying precence of the kind-hearted, peace-loving american troops?

	17-02-2003 01:49									#42
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I love Realists. Possibly the most ironically labelled IR theory in history.

	17-02-2003 01:52									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer Well Jaakko, take comfort in the fact that you're not a troll.

That's so predictable, I could see it coming a mile away. Kind of replying "ya momma" to every insult you get.

Why not put some effort into those trolls, big boy?

	17-02-2003 01:52									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Buck Birdseed So basically what you're implying is that us savage and bloody-minded europeans, warlike creatures that we are, would have gotten involved in a vast transcontinental war ages ago were it not for the pacifying precence of the kind-hearted, peace-loving american troops?

YES

	17-02-2003 01:53									#45
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Hey Jaakko... what part of my post did you NOT UNDERSTAND.

	17-02-2003 01:56									#46
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From Dino's link:

quote: But if the power structures that are now in place in Europe and Northeast Asia are benign, they are not sustainable for much longer. The most likely scenario in Europe is an eventual American exit coupled with the emergence of Germany as the dominant state. In effect, the region will probably move from its present bipolarity (with the United States and Russia as the poles) to unbalanced multipolarity, which will lead to more intense security competition among the European powers.

A bald assertion? That's all he's got? Honestly, no matter which side you're on, this is the epitome of crapulent scholarship. It sucks so much it's forming into a singularity.

Do you really form your geopolitical view on utterly unsupported statements, Dino?

	17-02-2003 01:58									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Hey Jaakko... what part of my post did you NOT UNDERSTAND.

Sorry Ming, I didn't consider that as an insult. After all, he'd pretty much conceded all reasonable debate (however arrogant we were behaving towards each other, doesn't matter). I mean come on, when it comes to trollish banter, his remark was a predictable one.

Don't tell me Horsey doesn't get away with the same every day he posts here.

	17-02-2003 01:59									#48
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What do you expect from a 500 word article when all of the sources are in the book?

	17-02-2003 02:02									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker YES

You don't think, say, the coagulation of western europe because of the immintent threat picture of the Cold War, the European Union, the common colonial interests, the profitability of not going to war, the non-rearmament of Germany until the sixties, the UN, Internationalisation, Globalisation, Cultural imperialism, modern media and education, increased interdependence, stable democracies, Unifying mass parties, etc. etc. might have had something to do with it?

	17-02-2003 02:02									#50
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Not really.

	17-02-2003 02:03									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Jaakko Don't tell me Horsey doesn't get away with the same every day he posts here.

Not AFTER a warning he doesn't...

Keep it up and a chill will be in order for you.

	17-02-2003 02:03									#52
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Oh. Okay.

	17-02-2003 02:04									#53
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc What do you expect from a 500 word article when all of the sources are in the book?

Then you should have waited until you had your books. Now it just looks like that professor took his knowledge of politics from the side of a milk carton.

I'll wait.

	17-02-2003 02:05									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Not AFTER a warning he doesn't... Keep it up and a chill will be in order for you.

No need. I always stop when I'm told.

	17-02-2003 02:05									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 I do hope that once America is done with its Ego trip, it'll learn to fix its public education systems....I believe that it would be for the better.

I won't go into how remarkably ironic THIS statement is.

	17-02-2003 02:05									#56
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Buck,

You have to admit that they have preformed a service. Still it might be time for their service to end.

	17-02-2003 02:06									#57
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quote: increased interdependence

What does that have to do with anything? It isn't like economic interdependence staved off WWI. [/nitpicking]

	17-02-2003 02:07									#58
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He's a Realist, whaddya expect? They have a tendency to warp any inconvenient facts (like stability) into immintent threats of war in order to satisfy their highly dubious formalised structure of state interaction. This guy seems worse than most, too- at least the vast majority seem to have adapted their theory somewhat in the last fifty years or so, and would concede common european strategic interests at the very least.

	17-02-2003 02:08									#59
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Tassadar5000:

quote: This coming from an AMERICAN TEXAN!!!! Thats just great.

You ****ing bigot.

Jaakko:

quote: So you never had any intention of making a coherent argument? This is what I hate about Apolyton, everyone's either a troll or a blithering idiot.

Ok, its obvious English isn't your first language as your miscomprehension of Sloww's original argument is the main cause of the misunderstanding and your little hissy-fit. So I'll sum up his argument now, slooooooowly.....

Sloww thinks that US troops should be withdrawn from European (etc) countries. He thinks that by stationing troops in Europe (at the US's expense), it allows those host countries to spend money they would otherwise spend on defense on other things. By removing troops, those countries are more or less on their own. He never said there was a war being "postponed", but in the event of any kind of threat (whenever or whatever that may be), those countries would have to rely more heavily on their own capital (which means money in english) rather than mooching under the American safety net.

Clearer?

	17-02-2003 02:09									#60
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Yeah, Germany is about due to show their ass.
Isn't it roughly every 50 years or so?
France can dig themselves out this time.
ONLY a "for instance".