17-02-2003 04:19									#1
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Hi everybody.

For my Extrapack Homepage, I'm currently making specific background images for every single civ, also for the existing ones.

Thus, I have to ask myself, which buildings/persons/units best represent the civ on the background. Every civ should have 4 (or maybe 6) items. At the bottom of this post you find a preview of the roman background.
But I'm not really sure, what to pick for every civilization, so I thought I'd post here and ask what you would put as representative items for the civilizations.

What I have so far for the existing civs:

Romans: Caesar, Triumph Arch, Colosseum, Legionary [+Constantine, Catapult?]
Egypt: Ramses, Chariotman, Horus, Pyramids [+?(mil. unit?), valley of kings?]
Greeks: Akropolis, Alexander, Socrates, Hoplite, [+Laokoon?, Greek Vase?]
Babylon: Marduk, Bowman, Ziqurat, Hammurabi [+Ishtar Gate, Nebukadnezar?]
Germany: Brandenburg Gate, Luther, Bismarck, Panther-Panzer, [+Prussian Soldier with typical helmet, ? (building?)]
Russians: Cossack, Lenin, Hammer/Sicle, Kreml [+Catherine, Hermitage]
Chinese: Forbidden City, Konfucius, Mao, Chinese Rider [+building? (wall), Terracotta Army]
America: F-16, Statue of Liberty, Lincoln, White House [+Jefferson (or Washington), Marine]
Japan: Shogun Tokugawa, Samurai, Shuri Castle, Mount Fuji [?]France: Eiffel-Tower, Versailles, Louis XIV, Musketeer [+Napoleon, Napoleonic Guard?]
India: Gandhi, Taj Mahal, War Elephant, Jagannatha Temple [+Chandragupte/Ashoka?, ? (mil. unit?)]
Persia: Zarathustra, Immortals, Shapur, Safiedinwhat else? building!
Aztecs: Main Temple, Calendar Stone, Motecuhzoma I, Eagle Warrior [+Quetzalcoatl, Human Sacrifice]
Zulu: Great Zimbabwe, Zulu Warrior, Shaka Zulu, Clay Hut what else?
Iroquois: Wampum Belt, Longhouse, Brant,
England: Big Ben, Tower Bridge, Man-O-War, Elizabeth [+Royal Guard, Churchill]
Barbarians: Attila, Scyth Horseman, Paled Skull, Burning House [+Pirate Ship, Arminius]

Still have to think about the Extra Civs...

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	17-02-2003 15:03									#2
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Japan: Mount Fuji, Japanese Shinto-temple, Pokemon

Persia: the palace of Saddam Hussein (nah, not really, but some similar palace - you know the stuff)

Zulu: African shield (look hints from the flag of Kenia), or a clay hut

Iroquois: Tee-pee, a scenery from yellowstone park, an Iroquoise warrior, a peace pipe.

	17-02-2003 18:14									#3
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quote: Originally posted by aaglo Japan: Mount Fuji, Japanese Shinto-temple, Pokemon

Funny, I've also thought about Mount Fuji, although I did not think about a natural monument in any of the other cases. Shinto temple is a good idea too, and well, the Pokemon

quote: Persia: the palace of Saddam Hussein (nah, not really, but some similar palace - you know the stuff)

But Saddam is Mesopotamian... No really, I don't know about the palaces you're talking about. Got any pic?

quote: Zulu: African shield (look hints from the flag of Kenia), or a clay hut

Clay hut, OK. Not sure about the shield. It's already coming with the Zulu warrior I think, but still, if I can't find anything else...

quote: Iroquois: Tee-pee, a scenery from yellowstone park, an Iroquoise warrior, a peace pipe.

I better wait for Ribannah


Thanks for your tips!

	18-02-2003 02:44									#4
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Iroquois
Perhaps the statue of Joseph Brant in Brantford:

Painting of the same chief:


Other ideas: wampum belts, longhouse / village / crops, Thomas Moran's painting of Hiawatha in his canoe, the national symbol (the Eagle, rudely copied by the USA).

Unit: I can only hope that you've changed the UU into something appropriate such as a Musketman variant or a War Canoe.

Japan: Shuri Castle, tea ceremony
Persia: Safiedin Bathhouse
England: Camelot
Egypt: Sphinx
Russia: Hermitage

	18-02-2003 11:45									#5
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Another for Egypt - The temple of Abu Simbel

	18-02-2003 15:11									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Wernazuma III Romans: Triumph Arch

Isn't that a French Monument

	18-02-2003 15:25									#7
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Various triumph archs were used widely across the Europe.

	18-02-2003 15:29									#8
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quote: But Saddam is Mesopotamian... No really, I don't know about the palaces you're talking about. Got any pic?

Well, actually something like this. A palace with minarets and those 'onions' (what are they called?) on top of the towers.

	18-02-2003 23:59									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Elden Isn't that a French Monument

The French "arch de triomphe", just like other modern triumph arches were built to demonstrate imperial power, to imitate ancient Rome, where emperors after leading successful wars sometimes built those. The most famous is the "Constantine Arch".

	13-03-2003 01:08									#10
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quote: to imitate ancient Rome, where emperors after leading successful wars sometimes built those

So wait, you're telling me France led a successful war? After Napoleon, France didn't deal in war (very well) except when it came to imperialism. When was the Arc de Triomphe built?

	13-03-2003 03:51									#11
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At first, I was talking about Roman emperors, if you read more carefully. Secondly, this US troll France bashing is getting old and I've discussed it far too often. At least you say "after Napoleon", which makes more sense than the usual bashings.
The Arc de Triomphe was initiated by Napoleon btw., though finished later.

	13-03-2003 03:56									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Wernazuma III At first, I was talking about Roman emperors, if you read more carefully. Secondly, this US troll France bashing is getting old and I've discussed it far too often. At least you say "after Napoleon", which makes more sense than the usual bashings. The Arc de Triomphe was initiated by Napoleon btw., though finished later.

hi ,

a lot of people seem to forget what he did for europe , .... schools systems and laws that are in use till this day

have a nice day

	13-03-2003 04:41									#13
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I apologize if I offended anyone, since I didn't mean it as bashing. I actually think France has the right idea in the Iraq conflict.

Anyway, I was simply stating that France didn't win too often after Napoleon.

I did note the roman emperors thing, but France built it to imitate that, right?

	13-03-2003 22:12									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Ephesos I apologize if I offended anyone, since I didn't mean it as bashing. I actually think France has the right idea in the Iraq conflict. Anyway, I was simply stating that France didn't win too often after Napoleon. I did note the roman emperors thing, but France built it to imitate that, right?

Don't worry, I'm sorry for being too aggressive towards a newbie.
And yes, Napoleon wanted to imitate the roman imperial arches. It was the time of a pseudo-renaissance, commbined with rising Imperialism - like Rome brought civilization to the barbarians, the French brought the modern ideals of the revolution (minus the democracy thing )to the rest of Europe, which still lived under the repressive ancien regime...

	14-03-2003 01:06									#15
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Well, that clears it up. Thanks.

	14-03-2003 01:08									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Wernazuma III Don't worry, I'm sorry for being too aggressive towards a newbie. And yes, Napoleon wanted to imitate the roman imperial arches. It was the time of a pseudo-renaissance, commbined with rising Imperialism - like Rome brought civilization to the barbarians, the French brought the modern ideals of the revolution (minus the democracy thing )to the rest of Europe, which still lived under the repressive ancien regime...

hi ,

indeed "napi" did a great deal of things for the people where he installed his own government , school's , freedom of speech (!) basic law , minimum wages , etc , ..... not to mention that where they came they put up a type of federal police , .....

we can argue about his mishaps and they way he did things but for europe it's a good thing in the end , ...

have a nice day

	14-03-2003 15:42									#17
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quote: Originally posted by panag hi , indeed "napi" did a great deal of things for the people where he installed his own government , school's , freedom of speech (!) basic law , minimum wages , etc , ..... not to mention that where they came they put up a type of federal police , ..... we can argue about his mishaps and they way he did things but for europe it's a good thing in the end , ... have a nice day

Don't get me wrong, I basically agree with this, Napoleon really brought the age of reason to many parts of Europe which were stuck in absolutist regimes and medieval thinking.
I just felt that I have to add that today we wouldn't sign his mistrust in democracy, which, of course, was also understandable considering the experiences after the French revolution - Napi must have really felt the same what late Roman Republic politicians like Caesar thought, facing the incapability of Republican structures (not that Rome was a democracy before Caesar though). And furthermore I think that conducting his "mission civilatrice" with force and bathing in blood was not wise. When people aren't ready, you won't do any good, just get staunch fundamentalist opposition. The effect of Napoleon - the Restitution, even more severe censorships etc.
Forced change from outside is very dangerous. Like Americans today often feel they have to export their democracy and freedom to many parts of the world. While we can also discuss if the American model is really that good or not, most people will see that it's much more favorable than, say, Saddam's regime or even worse, the freaking Taliban, but still the question remains if it's a good idea to force a change for which people aren't ready... Change should come from inside where possible IMHO.