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http://news.independent.co.uk/world...sp?story=378392

Armageddon asteroids 'best kept secret'
15 February 2003


A scientific adviser to the United States government has suggested that secrecy might be the best option if scientists were ever to discover that a giant asteroid was on course to collide with Earth.

In certain circumstances, nothing could be done to avoid such a collision and ensuing destruction, and it would be best not to tell the public anything, said Geoffrey Sommer, of the Rand Corporation in Santa Monica, California.

"When a problem arises with high uncertainty, there is an opportunity to spin the problem to avoid global panic. If you can't do anything about a warning, then there is no point in issuing a warning at all," Dr Sommer told the association yesterday.

"If an extinction-type impact is inevitable, then ignorance for the populace is bliss. As a matter of common sense, if you can't intercept it and you can't move people out of the way in time, there's nothing you can do in terms of reducing the costs of the potential impact," he said.

"Overreaction not just by the public but by policy-makers scurrying around before the thing actually hits because we can't do anything about it anyway ... to a large extent you are better off not adding to your social costs," said Dr Sommer, who is also an adviser on terrorism.

The US National Aeronautics and Space Administration (Nasa) is conducting a 25-year survey of the sky to find asteroids wider than a kilometre which could have a devastating impact if they collided with Earth.

So far they have determined the orbits of about 60 per cent of these objects and none so far have a trajectory that threatens the world within the next couple of centuries, said David Morrison of Nasa's Ames laboratory in Moffat Field, California.

"There are, however, many things out there that we know nothing about," he said.


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Do you agree with this policy? Is this nothing more than a thinly veiled threat to punish Iraq dissenters? Could a giant Meteor be enough to break up the sharply divided NATO?

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I think denying the knowledge of one's death is perhaps the cruelest thing imaginable. There are many things that people would not be able to do before their death. This is a stupid policy. Should doctors not inform people about terminal illness? Or cancer?

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Bruce Willis will take care of any emegencies.

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Bruce Willis will take care of any emegencies.


Only if I get to have sex with Liv Tyler!

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Only if I get to have sex with Liv Tyler!


Not a bad idea.

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Sex with Liv Tyler might not be all it's cracked up to be. She'll probably be crying and asking if you have animal crackers.

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Bush = Evil.

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This is a completely stupid policy. Who cares about the social costs, once we know an extinction-impact is on the way ?

This scientist would advocate a pilot not to tell the passengers the plane is crashing.

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Agreed. Bad idea. It offeres no one who is religious to say their last rights or make their peace.

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Anarchy, Plunder , Murder, Rape, Failure of State/Electricity/water Supply because noone works..
Yes I see the point of not telling, dont know wheter thats good/bad though.

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How could the US keep it secret? Other countries have telescopes too, and asteroid spotting is hit-and-miss out to a few million kilometers. It's quite possible (likely?) that the US wouldn't even be the first one to detect it, and once it was within a few million kilometers (or so, depending on size) the amateur astronomers of the world would be phoning in their discovery...

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There are lots of crazy people who are behaving themselves out of fear of civil authority and punishment. If a death penalty is inevitable then every crackpot with a knife or gun is going to go out raping and murdering to their fullest. Do you expect law enforcement to continue in their jobs? Prison guards? They will want to spend their last days with family and to hell with the world. Many people will spend their last days in absolute terror, because of the violent reactions of others, if the world is informed.

No, this is totally different from not telling a patient of terminal cancer...

I'm not saying that I wouldn't inform the world, just that there is alot to the decision that should be considered.

Should we execute all those convicted of violent crime before the announcement? Dwell on that...

Sure, I would want some time to pray...

There's alot to consider.

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"Bush = Evil."
Not a fan of the ladies, are you?
Me, I like bush, and lots of it!

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That's bad. I would like to know what killed me.

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How could the US keep it secret? Other countries have telescopes too, and asteroid spotting is hit-and-miss out to a few million kilometers. It's quite possible (likely?) that the US wouldn't even be the first one to detect it, and once it was within a few million kilometers (or so, depending on size) the amateur astronomers of the world would be phoning in their discovery...


You clearly don't watch the news which comes from Hollywood. The US is the only country capable of doing anything. Their scientists,engineers and militray are the only compotent ones in the world.

Apparently the Russians are all let down by rusty equipment.The British are plucky but too stuck up. The Chinese are evil.The rest of Europe are too busy masterminding large scale crime/terrorist operations.

So when it comes to this sort thing only the US will do

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like they could keep that a secret. Clinton couldn't even keep nuclear secrets from China . Of course he sold those...

In any case I support this plan.

I don't want any ******* thinking he can pillage my home .

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oh I forgot to mention.

Those dumbasses missed an asteroid last year!! WTF!! It passed within 75,000 miles of earth and they did not realize it until after it passed by.

So it's not like these dumbass military guys will even know if a killer asteroid is coming to kill us. We have no way of tracking these things effectively.

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Ehm. Since this policy of keeping any possible collisions secret would be rather public, it would mean people live in a constant fear, because they aren't sure if there's a rock inbound or not. That would mean living in continuous anxiety, which would be a lot worse than telling everybody if such an impact is going to happen.

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oh I forgot to mention.

Those dumbasses missed an asteroid last year!! WTF!! It passed within 75,000 miles of earth and they did not realize it until after it passed by.

So it's not like these dumbass military guys will even know if a killer asteroid is coming to kill us. We have no way of tracking these things effectively.


If it passed within 750 000 miles of earth and wasn't spotted until after then it probably wasn't big enough to kill everyone on the Earth. Maybe only 10%...

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10% is bad enough. Trust me that would probably cause much panic and looting if that was going to hit.

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Look at it this way: lots of free land for the taking...

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But if we can't know about the collision, how's the gigantic apocalyptic orgy going to be organized?

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Stefu, it's more of a cosmic screwing...

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It would be quiet disturbing if we all have raped, murdered, stolen for a few days and the astroid would miss the earth.

"OOOOPs, I was just kidding when I raped your doughter "

"NOooo, this time I'll pay again "

"Noooo, I was kidding when I told you that I think you're ugly I love you and you know that"

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The only thing I'd do different is pick out a good place to watch from.

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And stay awake if it happened at night.

No way is a giant asteroid catching me in my sleep!

Hands up, all those who think that there would be those trying to take a picture of the impact for some obscure reason...

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Hands up, all those who think that there would be those trying to take a picture of the impact for some obscure reason


"this videotape will make us rich!"
"erm, Honey, it's the end of the world."

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Maybe the best answer if an asteroid on a collision course is spotted is to put this screwball "scientist" in a rocket and fire him at it. Then he might achieve something useful.

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Nah, there are too many humans to be wiped out like that. Dinosaurs died because they were specialists. Humans are generalists, which means we suck in normal situations, but great at surviving calamities.

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I have little doubt that we will survive (unless the planet is rendered permanently inhabitable by the collision.

But it will either set us 50k years back in time, or will make the privileged few to create a means of surviving without dependence on the biosphere for a very long time.

 
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