17-02-2003 12:25									#1
	If Lux gets wiped out, do the other teams get to peek at their forum? Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Or is Trip going to raze that too?

Just wondering.

	17-02-2003 12:31									#2
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Who knows... we won't find out until I ask you that question when your time comes.

	17-02-2003 12:32									#3
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No.

I really don't think it would be fair to do that to them.

If they want to publish anything they talked about in their internal forum, that's fair for public record. But I'd consider opening up the entire private forum for public scrutiny to be the equivalent of publishing a Private Message, it just wouldn't be fair considering the message was sent with the implicit assumption that we (those on the outside) wouldn't be reading it.

Just my argument...

	17-02-2003 12:38									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Arnelos No. I really don't think it would be fair to do that to them. If they want to publish anything they talked about in their internal forum, that's fair for public record. But I'd consider opening up the entire private forum for public scrutiny to be the equivalent of publishing a Private Message, it just wouldn't be fair considering the message was sent with the implicit assumption that we (those on the outside) wouldn't be reading it. Just my argument...

I agree, I just thought we should get this decision out in the open so we would know how to handle it.
(And yank Trip's chain a little more. )

Should an extinct team's forum be closed? Are we going to reuse these teams for another on site PTW game?

I am coming to the idea that if we play another one, we should use a larger map size so the civs can develop more before conflict.

	17-02-2003 12:38									#5
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I believe this has been discussed before.

I too would strongly vote against this.

Things that are said in the locker room stay in the locker room, so to speak.

I imagine that a lot of things are said in the heat of battle that need to be buried forever, once this thing is done. Certain threads could be published, moved to the general forum, but most should be left in private.

	17-02-2003 13:47									#6
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We have too much secret, powerful, possibly world-altering intelligence in there for it just to be open! lol

	17-02-2003 14:09									#7
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I agree with others, nothing should be made public unless Luxes specifically approve that. I, for one, know that Lego will be happy to make our Chronicle public once the game is over, since it contains only detailed description of the game events and progress and no comments or discussions. But the rest should remain buried forever, I concur.

	17-02-2003 16:16									#8
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb I am coming to the idea that if we play another one, we should use a larger map size so the civs can develop more before conflict.

It all depends if intersite games are played on standard maps or larger, since this is supposed to be a game for training.

	17-02-2003 18:10									#9
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quote: I, for one, know that Lego will be happy to make our Chronicle public once the game is over,

Hmm,well, in our team that decision is entirely up to DeepO since he has worked so hard on it....

	17-02-2003 18:33									#10
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quote: Originally posted by DAVOUT It all depends if intersite games are played on standard maps or larger, since this is supposed to be a game for training.

Agreed, but now that MarkG has given us a forum and private forums, I don't really want to give them up..........

	17-02-2003 18:56									#11
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quote: Originally posted by alva Hmm,well, in our team that decision is entirely up to DeepO since he has worked so hard on it....

*sigh* Alva, don't tell me you still have finished the introduction, how can I start recording when our history isn't up to date? You know I only live in the present, Chronicles are not my style

DeepO

	17-02-2003 19:06									#12
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what about after the game is done? I was under the impression that all the forums would be opened, and we could form a comprehensive idea of the history of the game...

	17-02-2003 20:06									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Panzer32 what about after the game is done? I was under the impression that all the forums would be opened, and we could form a comprehensive idea of the history of the game...

As all archives, the forums will be opened 50 years after the death of the last participant; at least it was my understanding.

	17-02-2003 21:22									#14
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quote: Originally posted by DAVOUT As all archives, the forums will be opened 50 years after the death of the last participant; at least it was my understanding.

Civ time (turns) or real life?

	17-02-2003 21:36									#15
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I'm partial to this. Opening a forum before the game ends is definately not acceptable, as it might contain info on other teams that is not public yet.

Opening after game end can be useful, a lot can be learned from watching the discussions (if you want to commit all the time in finding out what has been going on). But, it might hurt personal relations as certain posts are done knowing that the one that the post is talking about is not going to be able to read it. I think too many feelings will get hurt if we would do it, therefore all forums should remain closed (at least up to 50 years after the last particpants death, after that I don't care).

DeepO

	17-02-2003 21:53									#16
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Agreed, but now that MarkG has given us a forum and private forums, I don't really want to give them up..........

Good point, but you will be desappointed by bigger maps : the one tile tundra islands are all identical, whatever is the map size.

	18-02-2003 01:09									#17
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This also brings up another topic that was never resolved. What happend to the players from the defeated team?

Do they all go to the victorious team?
Does the victorious team get to pick which players they take "captive"?
Or are the players all turned into refugees and are free to join what ever team they want?

	18-02-2003 01:22									#18
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No. The forum should not be opened.

However, if Lux wants to give away all its secrets, that's welcome. (Akin to the U.S. opening up the CIA databases etc. and freely distributing them, but it's LI's decision.)

	18-02-2003 01:34									#19
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quote: Do they all go to the victorious team? Does the victorious team get to pick which players they take "captive"? Or are the players all turned into refugees and are free to join what ever team they want?

refugees. What if ND takes Lux? ND is German...

	18-02-2003 01:49									#20
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We have contingency plans.

	18-02-2003 02:08									#21
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I'm sure the various Lux Invicta people can join other teams. There's no problem with that as long as they agree to be loyal to their new teams and not give away information they learn on their new teams - that would be rather unfair and violate the no spying agreement we agreed to at the start of the game.

But if they want to join other teams, go for it.

	18-02-2003 07:34									#22
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why not? it would be far more realistic. When the third reich collapsed germans went to both soviet and american hands and all their intelligence went along with them.

It would add twist to the game, but if you guys think thats unfair.

It would be actually cool if we caqn roll the dice to see if you will be captured by the invading team or escape etc.

	18-02-2003 08:19									#23
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It's not what they learned while being on Lux Invicta that's the problem, it's that once they join a new team, if any of them spill the beans on what's being talked about on their NEW team to others now on other teams.

We agreed not to use spies from the start of the game, so accepting people is fine, but those people have an obligation not to cheat on behalf of their new team or another team by unfairly sharing private info with their former compatriots now on other teams.

Just want to make sure that's clear.

	18-02-2003 19:09									#24
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This is like getting a look inside KGB-documents. Very interesting, but I agree with Arnelos that the team should decide that for theirselves.

Aidun

	20-02-2003 07:27									#25
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Basically I believe the forums for defeatwd teams should be closed when they lose. But the members should be allowed to discuss what went on among their team, as has ben mentioned before much like the german scientist in ww2. Maybe this could even cause a bidding war for refugees. For example trip can say that he will go to whoever makes him the best offer.
Aggie

	20-02-2003 16:38									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Aggie Basically I believe the forums for defeatwd teams should be closed when they lose. But the members should be allowed to discuss what went on among their team, as has ben mentioned before much like the german scientist in ww2. Maybe this could even cause a bidding war for refugees. For example trip can say that he will go to whoever makes him the best offer. Aggie

This is probably the best suggestion. Close the team's forum when they are eliminated.

	20-02-2003 17:34									#27
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	22-02-2003 05:31									#28
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In real life, the Spreme Court ruled that attoney-client priveledge ends when the client dies. I think Lux's forum should be public after we kill it. This knowledge is important, we've already blown our first decision by picking a weenie civ.

	27-02-2003 00:49									#29
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb If Lux gets wiped out, do the other teams get to peek at their forum?

Why do you think we would get wiped out?

Look behind you! Helicopters and Tanks are closing in on your Capital as we speak...

	27-02-2003 06:19									#30
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quote: Originally posted by BigFurryMonster Why do you think we would get wiped out?

You know, this thread has been here at the top of this forum for 10 days. Its kinda sad that you just now noticed it.