17-02-2003 14:25									#1
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This thread is to be used for enhancement requests, suggestions, error reports, and general discussion on the information provided in the Apolyton ISDG InfoCenter thread (to be started in no time).

	17-02-2003 16:48									#2
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This is the format of the 'Game Status' thread I set up for Lux Invicta. I left in some info, and added some for this game.

________________ The Nation of Apolyton ________________
Founded: Feb, 18th, 2002

• Last Update: see below.

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	17-02-2003 17:10									#3
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Good ideas, will do my best to incorporate most them. I will perhaps use somewhat fewer colours...

	17-02-2003 18:45									#4
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The first post in the actual InfoCenter is excellent; thank you.

For everyone's benefit, could you add civ traits, starting techs, and UUs?

Thanks.

	17-02-2003 18:57									#5
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vondrack Thank-you.

Some suggestions and comments.

1. I will see if I can track down the rest of the other teams' info today.
2. We may want to re-arrange the team order once the actual order of play is established. Mongoose has developed a proposed one.
3. Regarding the 1BC site, it would be appreciated if we limited access and posting there to you and me. This has nor been an isse at all with our folks. CFC got in a bit of a nasty row over who was officially representing them. To this end - we may need to discuss team leader vs team moderator responsibilities. With the game up and running smoothly, I expect that the moderator, ie me, will not have much if anything to do.
4. You might want to add that no mini-map trading has also been agreed to.

Thanks again .... Beta. (in a better mood )

	17-02-2003 19:07									#6
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vondrack - thank-you as well for your words of appreciation in the other thread. And yes - I concur - certain threads should be closed and even deleted.

	17-02-2003 19:08									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Theseus The first post in the actual InfoCenter is excellent; thank you. For everyone's benefit, could you add civ traits, starting techs, and UUs? Thanks.

Added. Be so kind and check the details for any errors for me, please. I am doing all this in a bit of haste.

quote: Originally posted by BetaHound 2. We may want to re-arrange the team order once the actual order of play is established. Mongoose has developed a proposed one.

I will do that once the order of play is finalized.

quote: Originally posted by BetaHound 3. Regarding the 1BC site, it would be appreciated if we limited access and posting there to you and me. This has nor been an isse at all with our folks. CFC got in a bit of a nasty row over who was officially representing them. To this end - we may need to discuss team leader vs team moderator responsibilities. With the game up and running smoothly, I expect that the moderator, ie me, will not have much if anything to do.

I agree. I do not really feel like posting there (what for? you do your job more than great) and will be perfectly happy if you continue serving as Apolyton's Ambassador to the UN. I will add a notice expressly suggesting no involvement in the discussion over at the 1BC UN is desired, unless expressly authorized by the Consuls/team.

quote: Originally posted by BetaHound 4. You might want to add that no mini-map trading has also been agreed to.

I would consider that part of the no contacts before the ingame contact made rule, but I will better expressly state that.

	17-02-2003 19:18									#8
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quote: Originally posted by BetaHound 4. You might want to add that no mini-map trading has also been agreed to.

On second thought... does that mean no minimap trading AT ALL? or no minimap trading until making ingame contact? Or no minimap trading until discovering (Mini)Map Making?

	17-02-2003 19:52									#9
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We need to use some other colour than yellow. I can’t read those headings at all.

	17-02-2003 20:23									#10
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quote: Originally posted by pikesfan We need to use some other colour than yellow. I can’t read those headings at all.

Don't worry, I am not going to use yellow headlines... That's what I meant by mentioning I would use less colours than Luxes currently do...

See the real InfoCenter thread - it's up and running now.

	17-02-2003 22:40									#11
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quote: Originally posted by vondrack Don't worry, I am not going to use yellow headlines

They sure are ugly and painful on the eyes.

	18-02-2003 05:12									#12
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quote: Originally posted by vondrack On second thought... does that mean no minimap trading AT ALL? or no minimap trading until making ingame contact? Or no minimap trading until discovering (Mini)Map Making?

I took it to mean no mini-map trading at all. I guess the question is why you would want to trade mini-maps when you can trade maps in the game?

	18-02-2003 05:22									#13
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quote: Originally posted by BetaHound I took it to mean no mini-map trading at all. I guess the question is why you would want to trade mini-maps when you can trade maps in the game?

Full maps show much more sensitive information than minimaps. It may be okay to trade information on the shape of one's landmass and/or empire, while revealing the entire map might be too much (since it reveals, e.g., resources).

	18-02-2003 05:33									#14
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Understood. I will inquire at the inter-site forum.

BTW - the time counter is set for the game:

http://www.cylusion.com/civ3/counter2


And this is the 1BC thread to post 'turn sent' - the equivalent of our Saved Game Thread.

http://civ3dg.1bigcommunity.com/com...hreads=&sT=&iG=


I will let you load them into the info centre, vondrack.

	18-02-2003 05:47									#15
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vondrack - when can you play the game? We are working on an optimal play schedule based on a team's ability to play. However, if we tailor it to yours, then we will always need at least one European consul. So - if you can give me a range - and same for nye and Ninot, I can feed it into the scheduling hopper. Thanks!

	18-02-2003 11:48									#16
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quote: Originally posted by BetaHound vondrack - when can you play the game? We are working on an optimal play schedule based on a team's ability to play. However, if we tailor it to yours, then we will always need at least one European consul. So - if you can give me a range - and same for nye and Ninot, I can feed it into the scheduling hopper. Thanks!

I believe I will not be the cause of troubles now, nor in the future. My high availability time is basically from 7-8am to 10pm every day (sometimes as late as 2am next day), with occasional breaks of several hours now and then (with little pattern).

Due to the rather wide "window" I am able to play in, it might be a good idea to use that part of it that overlaps with at least one other Consul from the US/Canada - this would most probably be my late afternoon and evening, when it's like early to mid to late afternoon in the US/Canada. That way, when I am replaced as the Consul, the team would still be playing at convenient hours.

Anyway, as our Poly PtWDG shows, it does not really matter what time we choose, since the turns will quite likely take more than 24 hours, rendering any careful time scheduling void.

	18-02-2003 13:16									#17
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Perhaps putting the Constitution, or a link to it, in the thread would make it easier to find...

	18-02-2003 13:46									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Trip Perhaps putting the Constitution, or a link to it, in the thread would make it easier to find...

The link is there, Trip, just look closer. Right after the Apolyton ISDG Team chapter title - at the end of the second sentence.

	18-02-2003 18:58									#19
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Here is mongoose's post indicating the order of play for the teams. Thanks vondrack - I incorporated your time suggestions.

Re: PBEM DG United Nations Rules and FAQ.
Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 12:57:18 AM

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OK, with the updated info from Apolyton, this is how I have the play sequence:

German Team
Grenoille
GameCatcher
Firaxis
CDG
CGN
Apolyton
CFC

I believe this is correct.

By drawing numbers out of a bowl, it has been determined that Gamecatcher will have the honors of the first turn.

Please see the Setup thread for more info.

Thanks

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Beta here now -

The order is OK, but - as Soren is trapped in NYC by the snowstorm and won't be able to play - we may not see the save until Thursday.

	18-02-2003 19:06									#20
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Thanks, BetaHound, the InfoCenter Teams chapter has been updated to reflect the order of play.

	18-02-2003 19:14									#21
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This is good, it looks like the Directory of the C3DG/SPDG.
Just what I meant when I posted the directory thread some time ago here.

Aidun

	18-02-2003 19:19									#22
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And this from mongoose - which will be of interest to all.

Re: Discussion regarding rules for Intersite PBEM Democracy game
Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 3:00:19 AM

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Almost forgot, Crousto also mentioned the checking of the map. I'm sure that everyone will be happy to know that all the starting positions are feasible for the advance of your civilizations. Naturally, some are better than others.

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	18-02-2003 20:30									#23
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quote: Originally posted by vondrack The link is there, Trip, just look closer. Right after the Apolyton ISDG Team chapter title - at the end of the second sentence.

[Non-acting-idiot Trip]Well, you see, you have to make it so that even the most intellectually challeneged of our ranks can find it! [/Non-acting-idiot Trip]

	18-02-2003 20:38									#24
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Here is CFC's team customization info. I think we are still missing one. I suspect the team e-mailed mongoose directly with the info - but I will search the other forum for it.

Civ: China
Civ Name: Fanatikou
Noun: Fanatikese
Adjective: Fanatikese
Leader Title: President of Fanatikou
Civ Color: Red

	18-02-2003 20:46									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Trip [Non-acting-idiot Trip]Well, you see, you have to make it so that even the most intellectually challeneged of our ranks can find it! [/Non-acting-idiot Trip]

Trip, would you, please... ehm... check, if... I mean, try... or rather... make sure... that even... errrmm... if it is okay now? I do not know whom to ask to check whether even... the... those that... do you know, what I mean?

BetaHound, I will edit the CFC info in in a couple of minutes. Thanks for the update.

	18-02-2003 21:17									#26
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I agree 100%; it's very painful to make out.

quote: Originally posted by pikesfan We need to use some other colour than yellow. I can’t read those headings at all.

	19-02-2003 04:59									#27
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CDG's info
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Leader Title: Rex
Leader Name: Possum
Civ name: Elucidia
Adjective: Elucidian
Noun: Elucidians
Color: White/Light Grey

Kentonio

	19-02-2003 07:21									#28
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And one other thing we will need - what do we want our green hours to be for the time counter? It is a similar seven hour period as used by the PTWDG time counter.

	20-02-2003 01:57									#29
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I know the question of mini-map trading came up somewhere. I took it to the intersite forum, and here is what the discussion was:

Re: PBEM DG United Nations Rules and FAQ.
Monday, February 17, 2003 - 9:34:56 PM

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A rules question has come up at Apolyton. We have agreed here that there should be no mini-map or other such trading prior to map-making. But can teams trade or send mini-maps or other such facsimiles after they discover map-making. The thinking here is that a minimap allows another civ to get some idea of your geography, and where you are , etc, without all the specific details of resources, improvements, city sizes, etc. Any thoughts? ... BetaHound

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My thoughts on this is that once embassies have been established the teams should be free to trade any information they desire. If you want to give another team details screens of parts of your civ then go right ahead for instance. I think this would open up much more in teh way of diplomacy and trading than limiting trading in the rules. For instance there may be times when a screen of someones border with a neighbour may be worth its weight in gold (or techs or resources ) to another civ. Im in favour of leaving this one open to interpretation.

Kentonio

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I see the logic, and agree.

But should it be when a) contact is established, b) when map making is avaialble or c) when an emabssy is established?

I would suggest b. You have suggested c. And some of the folks back at Apolyton in our PTW Demo Game use a.

BetaHound

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Given the three choices, “B” is the only option. You can’t trade maps inside the game until Map Making is discovered, so no maps (screenshots included) should be exchanged before that time. The embassy is more a tool for early espionage activities and should not be considered a factor in early diplomatic exchanges.

miccofl

(Also agreed to by Crousto and Lucky. So that is the rule - mini-map or other such map type trading is OK once map-making has been discovered. ...which of corse - raises the question - by one or both teams?)

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	20-02-2003 04:27									#30
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quote: Originally posted by BetaHound OK, with the updated info from Apolyton, this is how I have the play sequence: German Team Grenoille GameCatcher Firaxis CDG CGN Apolyton CFC I believe this is correct. By drawing numbers out of a bowl, it has been determined that Gamecatcher will have the honors of the first turn. Please see the Setup thread for more info. Thanks --------------------------------------------------------------- Beta here now - The order is OK, but - as Soren is trapped in NYC by the snowstorm and won't be able to play - we may not see the save until Thursday.

You say or report that Gamecatcher is first to play, but they are third in the list? Can we have an updated list of play order? Or is that in another thread?

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