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North Korea has warned this would be an Act of War! It gets worse and worse and worse.......

From the New York Times, front cover:

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U.S. Planning Sanctions Against North Korea
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WASHINGTON, Feb. 16 — The Bush administration is developing plans for sanctions against North Korea, that would include halting its weapons shipments and cutting off money sent there by Koreans living in Japan, in the event that North Korea continues its march toward developing nuclear weapons, senior administration officials say.

The officials said late last week the administration had no plans to push for the sanctions soon, since the United States' Pacific allies still oppose the idea and the United Nations Security Council is likely to remain focused on Iraq for weeks.

But the Pentagon and State Department are developing detailed plans for sanctions, and perhaps other actions, so that the United States has a forceful response ready in case North Korea takes aggressive new steps toward developing nuclear weapons, senior officials said.

Many administration officials believe that it is just a matter of time before North Korea resumes testing long-range missiles, for example, or starts reprocessing nuclear fuel for weapons production. Many officials also worry that if the United States attacks Iraq, North Korea will use the opportunity to push forward with weapons production.

"If they start to dismantle their weapons programs, then we can talk about incentives," a senior administration official said. "But if they torque up the pressure, you're looking at the other direction. That's when sanctions become much more likely."

The officials said the possibility of sanctions would be part of a broader diplomatic campaign intended to get North Korea to step back from its nuclear programs. The first step will be to urge the Security Council, perhaps in the next two weeks, to condemn North Korea's recent steps toward nuclear weaponry, which have included withdrawing from the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty and restarting a mothballed reactor at Yongbyon that can produce weapons-grade plutonium.

The United States will also continue pressing Russia and China, major trading partners and providers of foreign aid to North Korea, to take a more active role in pressuring North Korea to dismantle its programs, the officials said.

Both countries have said they will not support sanctions yet, contending that less confrontational approaches should be given more time. North Korea has said it would consider sanctions an act of war.

Precisely because Russia and China, as well as South Korea and Japan, have been unwilling to support cutting off trade with North Korea, the United States is looking at more tailored sanctions that will focus on banned activities like smuggling drugs or proliferating weapons of mass destruction, officials said.

For instance, Pentagon planners are looking closely at using American military forces to stop, turn back or seize ships and aircraft from North Korea that are suspected of carrying missiles or nuclear weapons materials, officials said. The sale of missile technology to Iran, Iraq and other countries has been a major source of foreign currency for the impoverished North Korea, American officials contend.

In December, Spanish warships working with American military and intelligence officials stopped a North Korean freighter that was found to be carrying 15 Scud missiles bound for Yemen.

But the Bush administration, at the urging of Yemen's government, determined that it had no legal right to seize the cargo and ordered the freighter released.

To prevent a similar situation, administration officials say that they will need Security Council authorization to seize or turn back weapons shipments from North Korea.

At a Senate hearing last week, Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld hinted at that strategy, advocating revamping international rules to allow steps to halt North Korea's weapons exports and calling North Korea "the world's greatest proliferator of missile technology" and a threat for selling fissile material to terrorists or rogue nations.

"I see North Korea as a threat as a proliferator more than I see them as a nuclear threat on the peninsula," Mr. Rumsfeld said. "Unless the world wakes up and says this is a dangerous thing and creates a set of regimes that will in fact get cooperation to stop those weapons, we're going to be facing a very serious situation in the next five years."

The sanctions package would also probably include measures intended to cut off remittances to North Korea from Korean-owned gambling parlors in Japan and allow the interdiction of drug trafficking from North Korea. North Korean groups, some linked to the government, run a thriving trade in illegal methamphetamines in northern Asia, Western officials say.

American officials contend that profits from those ventures support North Korea's military and enrich its Communist Party leaders. Constricting them, they contend, will not worsen the already dire plight of North Korea's general population, which has suffered through years of famine.

But the administration is also contemplating measures that could affect North Korean civilians. It is, for instance, likely to reduce American food shipments to North Korea this year from last year's total of 230,000 tons. The administration, which had been among the largest providers of food and fuel to North Korea, last year cut off shipments of heavy fuel oil to North Korea after learning that it had a covert nuclear weapons program.

The administration contends it will not use food aid for political purposes. But officials said last week that food aid to North Korea would almost certainly decline this year for three reasons: the World Food Program, which runs an aid distribution network in North Korea, is requesting less food this year; the United States has concerns that American food is feeding soldiers instead of civilians; and the great demand for American aid in other countries.

But Democratic officials and some aid groups assert that the assistance is being reduced to ratchet up pressure on the North Korean government.

Some Korean experts and hawkish lawmakers in Congress are also urging the administration to press China to reduce aid to North Korea until it begins dismantling its weapons programs. China provides well over half of North Korea's food and fuel imports and is widely thought by American officials to have the most leverage over North Korea.

James R. Lilley, a former ambassador to South Korea and China, said the Chinese remained deeply ambivalent about squeezing North Korea, fearful that it will collapse and send millions of impoverished refugees into northeastern China.

But he also noted that the Chinese were concerned about North Korea's nuclear programs and had been willing at least twice in the past decade to reduce food and fuel shipments to North Korea in apparent efforts to pressure North Korea to freeze its weapons programs.

"The Chinese are coming on board," Mr. Lilley said. "But you've got to get high-level summitry to kick start it."

Such high-level diplomacy could begin in April, when Vice President **** Cheney is scheduled to visit Beijing to discuss North Korea, administration officials said.

Despite the administration's efforts to devise more forceful approaches to North Korea, many Democrats contend that the administration still lacks a clear and coherent policy. They contend that sanctions will only work in conjunction with a more aggressive effort by the United States to open direct talks with North Korea. The administration has resisted one-on-one talks, saying it wants to meet North Korea in a multilateral setting.

"Direct talks are an indispensable ingredient of a solution here," said Ashton B. Carter, a former Pentagon official who is now a professor at the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard. "The issue is only when and what to say. Once we figure that out, we can begin the experiment of seeing whether or not North Korea can be talked out of going nuclear."

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It's a nice place.. according to this, there are no poor or homeless people at all.. everyone is getting 150 square meters house with heating, fridge and color tv for free! Man you gotta love that! I wonder how brainwashed the people must be in there, I feel sorry for them.

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Also, if we want to think about humanity, that's a place that REALLY needs liberation. King Ill Kong is evil man, and he REALLY oppresses the people. I say let's escort him to the back of the sauna.

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We already are sanctioning them. The last time I checked the UN was having trouble finding people to donate to the food program for NK.

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You have to use a carrot and stick approach with dictators like Kim. They've offered him a carrot but only if he gets rid of the nukes if he doesn't then Kim will get the stike (sanctions). They left the door open though and said nothing is going to happen for several weeks.

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Impossible to give in to nuclear blackmail, so sanctions and then war are inevitable if NK doesn't dismantle its nuke program and destroy its nukes. It'll be a while though.

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Yeah. NK is playing dangerous game now when threatening people. They are blackmailing with nukes, and they should know that the good guys will not submit under that kind of talk. So is he bluffing? He must know this. I'm not so sure if he's bluffing, since he knows the time will come when his word will be weighed. But this guy should not be underestimated. I think he means business. But he shouldn't be overestimated, because he don't stand a chance. This dude is evil, and he must be toppled, as soon as possible. He will continue blackmailing when it suits him. He will never surrender and be good to his people. Only way these dictators are taught is the way of war, he must be killed.

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I mean think about it. THis guy runs the biggest scam ever. He did 11 hole-in-ones in his first game of golf ever, flies fighters, has magic powers and lives forever, and 20 million people believes him! They live in poverty, eat each other sometimes, and still believes this guy is great. Now that has to be the biggest scam ever.

And this 'leader' knows the realities, knows the world outside NK. So he is doing this on purpose. Probably laughing his ass off. Now this guy tells to his people that they must hate the US. This guy has nukes, or is about to have, and 1 million man army, all brainwashed by extent that it's amazing. This is very dangerous. At least Saddam is not claiming he did 11 hole-in-ones in one game. Iraqi people would laugh their butts off. THis guy needs to be taken care of for the good of the people in the whole world. This man is going to keep hating the free world, and WILL get MORE nukes, maybe selling them to the enemies of the free world. So, this guy has to be dealt with sooner or later, and it's better be sooner when he has fewer nukes.

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I'm sure he would get lots of $ for his nukes. Good chance that is the reason behind his reviving his program in the wake of 9/11. With the war on terror the bids went sky high no doubt...

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The only thing I'm worried about is that if we say the wrong thing that the west coast will be radioactive and glow in the dark for the nex 1000 years.

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Impossible to give in to nuclear blackmail

Not mandatory?

The only thing I'm worried about is that if we say the wrong thing that the west coast will be radioactive and glow in the dark for the nex 1000 years.

Lousy Koreans. Can't they nuke the Bible Belt instead and make the world a better place?

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I think once we get our military over there he will be much easier to deal with. Right now he sees this as his best opportunity to try and bully people. Latter he will try and make some deal. I agree that he is much more of a threat than Saddam.

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THis might be his agenda.. to bully and make tensions high, and then making everyone agree that it's ok that they have nukes, and we can all continue living in peace. What ever he is doing, he is still blackmailing and bullying, and it should not be tolerated from this man, because he is dangerous and potential and enemy. He is going to keep doing it and doing it and doing it. What kind of a message does this send to the world? That it's ok, and you can get away with it? I say lets get him and his supporters. Out cold and dark.

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North Korea's militay makes Iraq's look like a joke. They have some serious weapons and their missle tech is close to western standards. They would present a real problem in a war. Not to mention the fact that China has crossed its boarders every time an invader has gotten close for the last 4000 years.

Don't get me wrong...this guy and his regime will continue to get more dangerous and there will probably come a day of reckoning, but this one will not be easy or fast.

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Their response.

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North Korea Vows to Win Nuclear Standoff With U.S.

By JAE-SUK YOO, Associated Press Writer

SEOUL, South Korea - North Korea (news - web sites) defiantly declared Monday that it would triumph in its nuclear standoff with the United States, and South Korea (news - web sites)'s president warned that Pyongyang's weapons program could start an atomic arms race in Northeast Asia.


The North's state-run Central Radio said the world was watching the Pyongyang-Washington standoff "with sweating hands," and vowed that the Stalinist state would maintain its "mighty army-first policy."


"The victory in the nuclear conflict is ours, and the red flag of the army-first policy will flutter ever more vigorously," said the broadcast, monitored by South Korea's Yonhap news agency.


Washington and its allies are pressuring North Korea to abandon its suspected nuclear weapon programs. The North has insisted on direct talks first with the United States, from which it wants a nonaggression treaty.


The bluster from the North came as South Korea's outgoing president warned that Pyongyang's production of atomic weapons could force his country and Japan to built nuclear bombs as well.


"If North Korea has nuclear weapons, South Korea could possess such weapons ... and Japan could arm with nuclear weapons. This is what a lot of people worry about. This cannot be tolerated," Kim Dae-jung (news - web sites) told tourism officials.


Kim, whose term ends Feb. 25, did not clarify whether he thought North Korea already has such a weapon. Prime Minister Kim Suk-soo has said he believed Pyongyang does not have nuclear weapons.


Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld has said that North Korea has one or two nuclear weapons and could extract enough plutonium within months to make six to eight more.


North Korea had never admitted or denied having nuclear weapons, but has said it has the right to develop nuclear weapons.


Pyongyang's declaration of ultimate victory in the nuclear standoff came a day after it hosted national celebrations for reclusive leader Kim Jong Il's 61st birthday on Sunday.


Kim rules the communist country as supreme commander of the nation's 1.1 million-member armed forces, and state-run media marked his birthday with anti-U.S. diatribe and hyperbolic praise of his pro-military policy.


In his comments to tourism officials, Kim Dae-jung — who has championed a policy of engagement with North Korea — said he believes there is "no possibility" of U.S. military action against Pyongyang, and called for talks.


"North Korea-U.S. talks are important because the problem can only be solved there," he said.


The U.S. military said Monday it will conduct two joint military exercises with South Korea next month, but said the annual maneuvers are not related to the North Korean nuclear dispute. There are 37,000 American troops in South Korea.


The joint drills are "defense-oriented" and designed to improve the joint U.S.-South Korea forces' ability to defend South Korea against "external aggression," the U.S. military command in Seoul said in a statement.


North Korea had no immediate response to the upcoming exercises, but the communist country has routinely denounced past joint U.S.-South Korea military exercises as preparations for an invasion.


Last week, the Vienna-based International Atomic Energy Agency referred the issue to the U.N. Security Council. The council could consider economic sanctions against North Korea. The North has said it would consider any sanctions a declaration of war.


The crisis began in October when U.S. officials said North Korea admitted having a covert nuclear program. Washington and its allies suspended fuel shipments, and the North retaliated by expelling U.N. monitors, taking steps to restart frozen nuclear facilities and withdrawing from the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty.


And adding to the chance of a spark igniting the conflict:

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SEOUL, South Korea - The U.S. military said Monday it will conduct two joint military exercises with South Korea (news - web sites) next month, but added the annual maneuvers are not related to the nuclear dispute with North Korea (news - web sites).

The joint drills are designed to improve the joint U.S.-South Korea forces' ability to defend South Korea against "external aggression," the U.S. military command in Seoul said.

The exercises coincide with a standoff over North Korea's nuclear weapons development. The United States and its allies have urged the North to give up its nuclear ambitions, while Pyongyang has accused Washington of planning a pre-emptive military attack.


There was no immediate response from North Korea over the upcoming exercises, but the communist country has routinely denounced past joint U.S.-South Korea military exercises as preparations for an invasion.


One of the exercises — called "Reception, Staging, Onward Movement and Integration," or RSOI — will take place March 19-26. A second exercise, Foal Eagle, is scheduled for March 4-April 2, the military statement said.


Foal Eagle, the largest joint U.S.-South Korea field training exercise, has been held since 1961. The RSOI began in 1994.


The United States bases 37,000 troops in South Korea.


Don't think North Korea doesn't have the balls to do it either. Besides even though it would mean suicide in Asian cultures suicide even mass suicide is acceptable.

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suicide isn't acceptable in all asian cultures.

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How about North Korea, eh?

I know Japan of 1945 was prepared to commit suicide against the United States.

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korean culture != japanese culture.

nkorean culture, corrupted as it has been by stalinism, is much like skorean culture. korean culture frowns upon suicide; there is no analogue to the japanese notion of ritual suicide.

nkorea commiting suicide would not be from culture; it would be from a brainwashed nkorean populace, and a psychopathic dictator.

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United States Plans Sanctions Against North Korea.

North Korea has warned this would be an Act of War! It gets worse and worse and worse.......



Sounds like a terrorist comment to me.

Don't bother knockin', when our bombs start a-droppin'.

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You know, Kim is a horrible, evil, disgusting man. A loathesome creature. However, he's managed to convince millions upon millions of people that he's a god. I mean, that's one of my dreams in life and he's already proven it can be done.

I just need to do it without* the starvation, fear, and poverty.




*unless absolutely necessary.

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From CNN:
N. Korea 'will win nuke war'

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SEOUL, South Korea -- In another verbal barrage aimed at Washington, North Korea says it will win any nuclear conflict with the United States thanks to Pyongyang's "army-first" political system.

"Victory in a nuclear conflict will be ours and the red flag of army-first politics will flutter ever more vigorously," a North Korean state radio broadcast said, as reported by South Korea's Yonhap news agency.

"Our victory is certain and the future ever more radiant."


Wow. Just, wow.

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yep. definitely psychopathic.

why can't someone just give me a gun, drop me off in the middle of p'yongyang, and let me, er... deal with it?

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The part with the future being radiant cracks me up.

This is what bullying Iraq got you. Everybody now tries to get A-bombs in a hurry. The North Koreans are just being reasonable.

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I think the UN ought to beef up its forces on the DMZ, particularly with troops from countries other than the US, Australia and the UK - the countries bearing the burden in Iraq.

Perhaps we should see French and German troops join the US on the line.

Bottom line: If the UN is going to provoke a war, the US, SK and Japan are going to get hit. The UN should get every member of the SC who votes in favor of sanctions to send troops.

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The part with the future being radiant cracks me up.

This is what bullying Iraq got you. Everybody now tries to get A-bombs in a hurry. The North Koreans are just being reasonable.


Believe it or not they've been saying the same stuff for 50 years. They've toned up the rhetoric since people in the north started starving to death but the message has been the same. The funny thing is the much talked about NK Army got totally beaten in 6 months and it was only a massive invasion by the communist Chinese which restored the pre-war status quo. Eisenhower didn't want to turn Korea into WW3 so he told the Communists they could either except an armistice or he was going to nuke all of North Korea and China. Seeing how the man had ordered half of Europe to be bombed into rubble the Communists decided they'd take the armistice.

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The guy is acting crazy as a diplomatic strategy. That way people will be more afraid of him, because it seems that he will use his nukes. That gives him bargaining power. I don't think it's a very good strategy. I think there will be some serious action taken against him before he builds up his nukes. I don't see how the world can let him do that. And I'm speaking as a person on the west coast.

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No one will do anything more then put sanctions on him. The only way there would be a war is if Kim is fooish or desperate enough to try and start it himself.

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"No one will do anything more then put sanctions on him. The only way there would be a war is if Kim is fooish or desperate enough to try and start it himself."

You may overestimate Kim's sanity.

Any new word on how this recent retardation from Pynogyang is affect South Korea's view on NK and the US?

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No one will do anything more then put sanctions on him.


Surprisingly enough, I agree with you. Not even the Bush administration will risk a war where the other side is estimated to have both A-bombs and the means to detonate them within the field of activity of the Office of Homeland Security.

Which just shows that the North Koreans are not mad. The Iraq War is giving them the window of opportunity to stock up on their nuclear arsenal. So US aggression *is* already backfiring.

 
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