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cinch
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Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Jul 2002
time: 22:26
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I certainly don't think there's a problem with the American media (save for possibly NewsCorp's stuff) concerning France-bashing. The opinion of most columnists/journalists/telejournalists/etc. is definitely leaning against France, though, which is sad.
EDIT: And by "media" I mean serious newscasts and newspaper articles.
It's their right to feel that way, of course, but it's still a sad state of affairs.
Willie calling the French "Cheese-eating surrender monkeys": FUNNY
Jonah friggin' Goldgberg saying the same: NOT FUNNY
Damn him for ruining that Simpsons joke for me!
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HershOstropoler
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Well, I suggest you search for a comparable amount of antiamerican vitriol in european newspapers, including the opinion pieces. eg
www.bild.de (tabloid)
www.sueddeutsche.de
www.faz.de
Good luck.
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Maroule
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this murdoch guy is extremely anti-french, it's nothing new
I wondered what happened to him in his early childhood? Did he get raped by a truckman with a camembert breath called Maurice?
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Velociryx
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of Candle'Bre
Apr 1999
time: 05:26
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You guys still don't understand us, do you?
Yes! We are brasher, and louder than Europeans. When we get frustrated, we tend to let that venom seep into our words. This, I realize, is utterly shocking to the more refined sensibilities of our European counterparts, but it's just another way that our rough edges show through.
We get p*ssed, we spout off about it, and we get over it. (of course, France and Germany ought not hold their breaths that Dubya will just "get over" their latest shenanigans....as a Texan, he falls under a slightly different subset of Americans, and....well, let's just say...."don't count on it.")
What you are seeing may, from your European perspective, appear like rage, but it is more along the lines of "national venting." Nobody here *really* hates Euros, we're just annoyed, because for all of Europe's b*itching, we've not seen the first alternative idea from them! No wait! yes we have! France and Germany have been "working on" an idea that's basically a carbon copy of the one the American's floated sometime last year, but which the Euros shot down! ::shakes head:: And you wonder why we get p*ssed?
In a nutshell, we tend to have a short fuse for this stuff because our problem solving methodologies are somewhat different:
Typical American Problem Solving Methodology:
1) Identify the Problem
2) Formulate a solution
3) Test solution. If failure results, go back to 2, changing the variables each time
Typical European Problem Solving Methodology, as seen from the American Perspective:
1) Identify the Problem
2) Whine that America is ignoring the problem
3) Whine when America pays attention to the problem
4) Complain about America's proposed solution to the problem
5) Complain about the resolution of the problem
6) Form a sub-committee to discuss the problem
7) Talk about fixing the problem, and discuss the ins-and-outs of how a "European solution" to the problem would be dramatically superior to those bumble-headed Americans and their ignorant solution.
8) Talk about the problem some more
9) Ignore the problem for a while to see if it will go away
10) Complain that the problem hasn't gone away yet, and complain that the Americans are too slow acting to remedy the situation
11) Complain when the Americans move faster to remedy the situation
12) Hold additional meetings to discuss the problem
13) Try a tentative solution, or, if the Americans are already fixing it, offer some assistance.
14* (assumes the Americans are not already fixing the problem) - if the tentative solution fails, try it again the EXACT same way....you never know, last time might have just been an aberration.
15) Repeat step fourteen until the Americans arrive.
-=Vel=-
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CerberusIV
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quote:
Originally posted by Velociryx
In a nutshell, we tend to have a short fuse for this stuff because our problem solving methodologies are somewhat different |
You missed step 1a from the European decision making process. It is the one about "Does something need to be done?" There is apparently no equivalent in the American process.
Incidentally (and I know this point has been done to death in other threads) a US attack on Iraq is not to solve a problem about Saddam running Iraq, it is to divert attention away from several other problems that Dubya is finding too difficult to solve. Since that is entirely Dubya's problem why should Europeans be desperately keen to implement an American solution to an American issue.
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Velociryx
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of Candle'Bre
Apr 1999
time: 05:26
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HO - I agree. And in fact, we're probably touchier about it than Euros are, because for the longest time we lived in your shadow, and were exceedingly deferential to "superior European culture."
But since the world has moved on and modernized, we see that Europe has gone into a long sleep, and it leaves us feeling....torn. On the one hand, we still remember how we used to defer to you guys on most fronts, and on the other, we see so little substantive out of Europe these days, it has us questioning what we were thinking.
For the record, I think we'd appear LESS touchy on the subject if, hand in hand with the criticisms were viable alternative plans, but of course, we don't get much of that either....
Cereb - I would say that if a problem is identified AS a problem, it sorta goes without saying that it needs some kind of solution (and yes, a perfectly valid solution in some specific cases would be "do nothing." 
-=Vel=-
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Bereta_Eder
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quote:
Originally posted by DinoDoc
Of course it is. After all, God does have a special place in his heart for drunkards, idiots, and Americans. |
Pleonasm.
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SlowwHand
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of The Cooler
Sep 1999
time: 23:26
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quote:
Originally posted by TheStinger
I wnat some perspective in the argument.
The US has done many good things for which europe should be grateful.
Europe is not obliged to support evrything the US does.
I think if you disagree with the US you should come up with an alternative policy.
And procrastination is not a viable option
As for my specific comment, the UK bankrupted itslef fighting a war in which the US should have got invloved in earlier, Admittedly France and the UK could have stopped it happening 5 years before.
And this is the USA's fault, how?
People in the UK do resent the support we give america when they did little to stop the funding of terrorists blowing up our people. |
Again, get involved, damned. Do nothing, damned.
And Buck, I've never gotten on you before, but your comment (Yeah, go on, Ming- where are your antiamerican column examples? I'd be interested if you could find any at all directed at the American populace as a whole.) is perhaps the biggest pile of steaming crap I've ever read at these forums. And that's quite an accomplishment.
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HershOstropoler
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"For the record, I think we'd appear LESS touchy on the subject if, hand in hand with the criticisms were viable alternative plans, but of course, we don't get much of that either...."
True on Iraq, but don't forget that the Bush administration is not looking for a solution to the problem there, but for a problem for the solution...
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HershOstropoler
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"is perhaps the biggest pile of steaming crap I've ever read at these forums"
Then show those examples.
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