18-02-2003 09:34									#1
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	18-02-2003 11:12									#2
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MADRID

Madrid should begin construction of a SETTLER and the WF should be set to:

New WF: #3 (cows), #5 (game), #18 (s-grassland), #20 (wheat) - 6 shields, 4 food, 9 trade

Please note that his is subject to change. I heavily suspect that the plan will need to be altered somewhat to account for the turn delay we had some time ago and thus the different timing of population increases. I'm going to have to attempt to anticipate the extra shields the settler production will gain when we go to Pop 5 in a few turns and see if any WF changes can be made to raise Madrid's efficiency.

	18-02-2003 15:18									#3
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	18-02-2003 19:09									#4
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No changes for Pamplona this turn.

	18-02-2003 21:20									#5
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Madrid exp : NW, or N if Lux's warrior blocks us

	18-02-2003 21:28									#6
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-Lord Nuñez! We have discovered that there might be land in the far west!
-What?! That's impossible, lemme see....... I cant see anything! It's just dark waters as long as the eye can see.
-Er...Sir, thats south.
-Huh! What? Oh, right. Good work Skiff. West is this way then...... You know, I'm not sure but it seems like there's good fishing in that direction, if only I had a device that could help me see further...
-Everything indicates the possibility of land sir, what should we do?
-Move north, if I can get up on that mountain maybe there's a better chance of spotting something. Onward.
-North it is.

	18-02-2003 21:37									#7
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We should stop building standard units.

	19-02-2003 00:29									#8
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Workers names:
Worker next to Barcelona: Astrologix Slaves
Worker next to Madrid: Arnelos Slaves
(These are the names of the governors of the cities who built the workers)

Orders:
Astrologix Slaves: Move NW

	19-02-2003 04:32									#9
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GuObs: Get closer to the border. NW

What if the ND scout enters our borders?
Perhaps we should enter theirs as a reply.
just to pretend we are not nervous about them...

	19-02-2003 11:40									#10
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quote: Originally posted by ThePlagueRat What if the ND scout enters our borders?

Might this not be seen as an act of aggression, thus nulling our Non Aggession treaty with them.

	19-02-2003 19:03									#11
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Again I will state that there is no reason for us to get involved at this moment. Peace and prosperity will make us far stronger than war at this moment.

Madrid could begin building weapons and train our troops as soon as the barracks is ready.
Pamplona should keep churning out settlers. Saragossa could build a barracks then produce horsemen. We need not fear. By the time the enemy nears our borders (if they become entoxicated enough to do so) we will have an army that can hold the tide!
Let us shift some of our productivity to weaponry and let the rest progress as normal. To let our prosperity suffer because of fear is madness. We have time to strengthen ourselves wihtout sacrificing our culture and prosperity. We can let some other city than Madrid build soldiers and let us build the Great Library in our glorious capital.
If however, it does turn out that it was too little too late, I swear, I will be the first in line to fight the enemy.
But I know that it will not be.

	19-02-2003 19:19									#12
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Also, why in fathers name is Saragossa building warriors? Workers would be better, or if military, then barrax followed by horsemen!
And Barcelona building spearmen?! There's no need! At least build a barrax there first if they are to supply the other cities with troops. Veteran soldiers are at this moment crucial.


Btw, my Sergeant of the Feocalvos will be in charge for a while of the units as I have just received news of the passing of Antonio Meneñdez de Nuñez, my father and I must travel to Saragossa to attend his funeral. Sergeant Skiff has orders to continue to move along the western coast until they reach the Iron Mountain, by then I should have returned.

[ooc in other words, togas please just move them as i indicated, posting every turn for something so minor is getting a little dull ooc]

	19-02-2003 19:47									#13
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Saragossa is supposed to be building the Worker first, then the Warrior. We'll change the next build (after the warrior) to a spear.

I thought that getting that Iron connected was considered to be a top Priority! To won't be if we delay that one Worker.

Santiago - no change.


E_T

	19-02-2003 19:50									#14
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LzPrst,

Actually, I am considering to change the Barcelona production. But I'm not convinced that barracks will be the better choice, because Barcelona production is still very small.

I have several turns yet to decide.

Wait and see

	19-02-2003 20:44									#15
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Save is here.

On checking out the save for events of importance, I noticed with great amusement that ND has started to move a settler/spearman south into the jungle. Nyah, Nyah - we already built the Silk City!

	19-02-2003 21:06									#16
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quote: Originally posted by dejon On checking out the save for events of importance, I noticed with great amusement that ND has started to move a settler/spearman south into the jungle. Nyah, Nyah - we already built the Silk City!

They may be going to settle on the other side of us. If so, I am strongly in favor of telling them that passage through our territory is an act of war.

I believe they can already see Silk City since they have already scouted that territory.

	19-02-2003 21:23									#17
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quote: Originally posted by E_T Saragossa is supposed to be building the Worker first, then the Warrior. We'll change the next build (after the warrior) to a spear. I thought that getting that Iron connected was considered to be a top Priority! To won't be if we delay that one Worker. Santiago - no change. E_T

I totally desagree with building now standard warriors to be upgraded to swordsmen.
As far as priorities are concerned, I am not sure they have been clearly established. My suggestions are :
- roads, including the road to the iron
- barracks in Madrid and Pamplona
- iron city
in that order.

I suggest also that we reassess our tech trade policy.

	19-02-2003 21:42									#18
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quote: Originally posted by ruby_maser They may be going to settle on the other side of us. If so, I am strongly in favor of telling them that passage through our territory is an act of war. I believe they can already see Silk City since they have already scouted that territory.

Oh that would make a great invitation for them to visit us with that stack of Swordsmen, wouldn't it?

	19-02-2003 21:59									#19
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There is still a corridor between Pamplona and Saragossa but it can be easily closed. As for crossing our borders, they made such a fuss about Lux doing the same ...

	19-02-2003 22:23									#20
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quote: Originally posted by dejon Oh that would make a great invitation for them to visit us with that stack of Swordsmen, wouldn't it?

I think dejon is right. We are not ready yet. Our diplomacy should be as kind as posible until the moment arrives. But I also agree with ruby_maser that they probably will try to settle at the other side, trying to make us the first to attack and present us as the bad guys,

	19-02-2003 22:39									#21
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quote: Originally posted by oliverfa I think dejon is right. We are not ready yet. Our diplomacy should be as kind as posible until the moment arrives.

I am not saying do this immediately, but if they attempt to settle by the gems, they settle by the iron as well. Can we allow that to happen?

	19-02-2003 23:00									#22
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In that case we think the same, ruby_maser Doing that is an action of war, even if we cannot tell them until we are ready to fight them.

	19-02-2003 23:29									#23
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I am at work and cannot do the save.

I need Dejon to do it. Please meet me in chat if you have questions. We may want to change the movements for GuOps to help corral the ND settler.

We also need to talk to ND to see what their intentions are.

--Togas

	20-02-2003 00:14									#24
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just loaded the 1625BC save. It says our military is weak comapred to ND... average to GoW

	20-02-2003 01:51									#25
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The save was played in chat. Oliverfa ws kind enough to run it on his machine. Some changes have been made due to the current change in leadership and our new priorities. Changes will be posted here shortly and discussion should begin on how we can quickly impliment our NEED for defense, and then get back to our current style of development.

--Togas

	20-02-2003 02:02									#26
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I'll start working on a plan for Madrid to be working on optimal military production ASAP.

Given the timing of the forest being chopped down, I may have to build at least one regular unit before I can afford to switch Madrid to a barracks (so that the 10 shields from the forest don't get wasted when the next unit build doesn't need them).

Since we can only build spearmen and archers for now, may I suggest that Madrid (as part of the defense plan) build at least 1 worker so that we can speed the rate at which the road to our source of iron (or at least horses) is linked to Madrid?

In my opinion, building workers in Madrid to speed the construction of the Madrid/Pamplona road does more for defense (since it will lead to veteran swordsmen sooner) than building a stack of archers now.

Building spearmen in between workers might be the optimal strategy for now.

	20-02-2003 02:35									#27
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TURN SUMMARY:

- Madrid builds an spearman. Queue changed to a new spearman
- One of the two Madrid spearman moved NW, W
- Build queue in Saragossa changed from warrior to spearman
- Workers near Barcelona renamed to Astrologix slaves and moved NE to build road next turn.
- Magyar warriors saw Arnie NW NW from them. Now moved SE.
- One of the two spears at Pamplona moved NW,NW,NW
- Bulgar warriors moved N,NW,N
- GuObs saw ND settler+spearman just E. They move S to check if ND continue moving their units South
- Madrid expedition moved NW. A lux warrior is NW from them.
- Feocalvos move N, seeing another coastal tile.
- tax slider changed to 70%. Literature in 8 turns, 6 gpt (now 97)

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	20-02-2003 03:08									#28
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What about a settler to found the city near the iron?

	20-02-2003 03:13									#29
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quote: Originally posted by pikesfan What about a settler to found the city near the iron?

Hopefully, Lord Togas will allow Pamplona the chance to build one more settler. It will be done in 1400 BC, if it is the next queue.

From looking at the map, I think that, if ND were to play safe and go around our borders, we could set up a screen with our units that would give the settler the opportunity to get to the iron first.

	20-02-2003 03:34									#30
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Pamplona is our wealthiest city. Only Togas knows his plans, but my guess is that Pamplona has a chance to become the production center for our SEX (as Davout calls it )