19-02-2003 01:32									#1
	The Plot Thickens... Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

Bouncer == Ghengis Farb.

quote: Session Start: Tue Feb 18 13:11:04 2003 Session Ident: Bouncer Session Ident: Bouncer (~Java_user@ip68-12-229-156.ok.ok.cox.net) [13:11] [Bouncer] Are you awake? [13:12] [Trip] ? [13:12] [Bouncer] i take it that is a yes? [13:12] [Trip] indeed [13:13] [Bouncer] i proposed to ND that we let your team keep a coastal city and build a boat to move to Legoland's island [13:14] [Trip] wish they'd accept it, but I don't think that will happen [13:14] [Bouncer] I was suprised but they were actually receptive to the idea [13:14] [Trip] really? [13:14] [Trip] what'd they say? [13:15] [Bouncer] They said that several of their team members were opposed to completely wiping your team out [13:16] [Bouncer] i pointed out that your team gets a free tech at the beginning of the next age and could be useful [13:16] [Trip] any official response from them about this? [13:16] [Bouncer] It was kind of up in the air, they didn't think you would be interested [13:17] [Bouncer] Did you build the settler? [13:17] [Trip] when did you ask? [13:17] [Bouncer] About 10 minutes ago [13:17] [Trip] ahhh [13:17] [Trip] hehe [13:17] [Bouncer] I was chatting with Borc and Darekill [13:17] [Trip] perhaps if I could have a chat with them [13:17] [Bouncer] Why? Did you do somethin [13:18] [Trip] just wondering [13:18] [Bouncer] We have a citysite on the coast to the west of our capital [13:18] [Bouncer] Do you have a settler and a spearman or 2? [13:19] [Trip] yeah [13:19] -] *darekill* hello [13:19] -] *borc* hello [13:19] [Bouncer] If I get them to agree would you be willing to build the citysite? [13:19] [Trip] perhaps [13:19] [Trip] how far away? [13:20] [Trip] what is darekill's name on here now? [13:20] [Trip] I'd like to talk with him [13:20] [Bouncer] Hold on [13:20] [Trip] okay [13:20] [Bouncer] He's already left, but I can email him [13:21] [Trip] what's your name at the forum? :P [13:21] [Bouncer] gow GhengisFarb [13:22] [Trip] that's you? [13:22] [Bouncer] The plan would be once you built the city on Legoland's island we would take your city here by attacking it thus moving your Palace for free to the new island [13:22] [Bouncer] yes [13:23] [Trip] how would we get a settler to the other island? [13:23] [Trip] and why do you care? :P [13:23] [Bouncer] You'd build a boat [13:23] [Trip] I was looking forward to embarrassing you :P [13:23] [Bouncer] emabarrassing me? [13:24] [Bouncer] I felt sorry for the poor start your team had [13:24] [Trip] obviously :P [13:24] [Bouncer] Besides it would be someone to compete with Lego for their space [13:25] [Trip] either ND or Lego will win [13:25] [Bouncer] Lego will win if they are left alone on their continent [13:26] * Trip shrugs [13:27] [Trip] ND will have conquered the entire continent in 30 turne [13:27] [Bouncer] Quite possibly [13:27] [Trip] very possibly [13:27] [Trip] but, we'll see [13:27] [Trip] :P [13:28] [Bouncer] Okay, let me know if you are interested, as of now my team will not attack any of your team's settlers [13:29] [Trip] it will probably take far too long [13:29] [Trip] A) we need a coastal city [13:29] [Trip] B) we need map making [13:29] [Trip] C) we need boats [13:29] [Bouncer] We are 15 turns from Mapmaking [13:29] [Trip] C1) we need boats that can get to another continent [13:29] [Trip] not just boats [13:30] [Bouncer] I don't think they are too far away [13:30] [Trip] depends on which way their continent turns [13:30] [Bouncer] The minimap looks like they are fairly close [13:31] [Trip] the map is standard-sized, remember [13:31] [Bouncer] true [13:31] [Trip] their capital could be on the east coast as well [13:31] [Bouncer] am I talking to you as Bouncer? [13:32] [Trip] yes [13:33] [Bouncer] ah, no wonder you asked those questions.......... [13:34] [Trip] :P

So we have the option to survive on our own after all. While I don't like the idea of being used by GoW and ND to weaken Legoland, I wasn't yet ready to end this game, and I'm sure we can convince ND to take GoW out eventually anyways.
If it's possible to pull off, I wouldn't mind this too much.

	19-02-2003 01:55									#2
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Also, as soon as we get contact with Lego, we can trade for their map (they'll think they'll be getting a good deal... we'll have to get something for contact with all the civs though), seeing where the good places to settle are. They'll see our continent, but it won't matter much any more at that point.

	19-02-2003 02:04									#3
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Hey, its better than any other alternative, so go for it. Getting NDE to agree to it may be a problem, given that they have been on bad terms with us from the beginning.

	19-02-2003 03:23									#4
	Put an end to popups!

Take GoW's aid and attempt to flee to new continent. And proceed with NDE running rampant on this continent to destroy all.

I doubt we can fight off Legoland by ourselves, but we might actually be technologically ahead (if we're lucky). In which case we have to somehow trade cunningly so that we can build from things we can offer. But it would be quite a task. I suggest trying to be quiet as possible, if we're lucky... we might get some time to build.

I see this as not changing any of our previous plan. Just a slight modification. Instead of us going near RP, we would be going to new continent.. which is better.

However, now that i think about it. there is ONE BIG drawback. we have to use the settler now to build a coastal city which then needs to pop a settler and go off on its way. This means we have to be stuck in the continent longer than we need to, and unless we build a city near RP (which would take longer), we would be a at risk of NDE and GoW backstabbing us and using the excuse of letting us live to intentionally make us settle in an area reachable by them. This would create a bit of a dilemma, so the option is still not 100% preferrable for me.

Especially if GoW knew about our evac plan. Im guessing trip told GF about our settler before they attacked us. Perhaps they want to insure our demise byu making sure to know where the settler is. I need to contemplate more before making my decision here, but you guys go ahead and tell me what would be the best to do for now.

Last edited by Zero on 19-02-2003 at 03:30

	19-02-2003 03:27									#5
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Ghengis said that NDE was receptive to the idea. This might just be NDE buttering GoW up for the kill, but who knows. I'll inquire of Darekill on this matter.

I doubt that Legoland would be too hostile towards us. Probably pretty surprised, but I don't see them having or building up an army to deal with us.

If we do pull it off, then I think being a naval colonial power would be our best option. That's what I wanted to do originally after all, and this way we might be able to do that.

	19-02-2003 03:32									#6
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this plan still needs to be investigated more tho... check my editted post for a reason.

PS. why would they offer us merger plan and also agree on letting us live? Im quite confused.

To be honest, I think GF is trying to play us, but perhaps if we are fgoing to merge with NDE, maybe we can mention this fact of us getting free tech as "excuse" for letting us live and plan to merge later and escape into new continent.. etc etc...

it could work.

	19-02-2003 03:39									#7
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It's possible, but what do we have to lose anyways? If we are destroyed, we join NDE as planned and wipe GoW off the face of the planet. I think it can work, but it does need NDE's approval. I'm sending Darekill a PM now.

	19-02-2003 21:41									#8
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OK! Great idea! Go for it! A few points:

• I sure hope we're able to reach Lego's continent;
  
• Calc has a point - we need 2 settlers (1 to build a city on a coast, 1 to found a new city on the other side)
  
• We'd better not run into barbarian boats. Can you see the headlines? "Lux Civilization wiped off the face of the planet by the Hsung-Nu tribe". Brrr....
  
• Too bad that Lego will immediately know that the city on their continent is our capital. They'll know we'll only have one city.
  
• Will this go faster than moving a stack south? I think it does.
  

	20-02-2003 03:13									#9
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We would Need a partnership with Lego of some kind for this to work. Otherwise they will just decide it is this there best interest to attack the city as they we know that A)it will have only one unit B) they can keep it if taken because it is a the capital. Also, There has to be enough room on legos continent otherwise they wont agree to this for obvious reasons.

	20-02-2003 08:02									#10
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

This plan has been further developed... look at the other thread for details.