19-02-2003 09:09									#1
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That's it: Orion Sector has just unleashed its review, here - by leiavoia and klemeroni.

	19-02-2003 10:30									#2
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cool. going to check it out now.

Thanks for the heads up

	19-02-2003 10:36									#3
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Very nice review. Thanks for providing the link, Master Marcus.

Although I would have liked some screenies to go along with it, it is rather interesting nonetheless...

And the Intro movie seems to be great:

quote: leiavoia I watched [the intro] several times before playing, then showed my family just to watch it a few times more!

quote: Klemeroni: After installing it (pretty painless), I watched the intro video 2 or 3 times.

	19-02-2003 20:43									#4
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What does this mean??

quote: but don't expect any Civ3 oil ... problems

I never had any Civ3 oil problems. Sounds like he doesn't like the resources, so they are a "problem".

Anyway, good review - thanks MM for the link. My anticipation level went up a couple more notches.

	19-02-2003 22:10									#5
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Thanks for telling us about this. Although it contains no score it seems like the best review yet (of course, we need to play the game to ultimately decide which review was best). No chat during the end turn screen of multiplayer?!? That makes no sense.

	19-02-2003 22:53									#6
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That really was a very good review. Especially getting two points of view to every facet of the game. Kudos to the two of them!

	19-02-2003 23:00									#7
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Pretty doggone cool!

	19-02-2003 23:30									#8
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quote: Originally posted by drsparnum Although it contains no score it seems like the best review yet....

You missed it: 9.6/10.0

	19-02-2003 23:55									#9
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I noticed the reviewer mentioned having played robosport! Never seen anybody else mention this cool game which is the first one I ever bothered to play hotseat (on the old mac). Was it also avaliable for the PC back in the day? It would rock to get a copy (though getting to run would be a challenge)>

PK

	20-02-2003 00:12									#10
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quote: This game is so huge it hurts, and yet it's so fun. After the initial glee, you will probably spend most of the first three or four games bogged down in information overload, begging for the days when things were simple, cursing the name of every QSI/IG employee you can think of (sorry Cory, Rantz, Const, et al. but it will happen) and wondering how exactly one commits hara kiri. And then it'll hit you, this massive chunk of information will suddenly make sense, and the drug that is Moo3 will have it's steely grip around your life. To give you an example: I've had this game for two weeks now, in that time I've had maybe one week's worth of sleep, consumed about a hundred cans of pop, a half dozen pots of coffee, a few meals less than I should have, and played Moo3 for about 40-50 hours. My hair's unkempt, I'm growing a beard and smell kinda funny, my wife feels neglected, my immune system is shot to ****, and my pets aren't being fed consistently. This game is 100% pure, grade A, video game crack, and I love it.

If I were ever in any doubt whether or not to buy this game, they are now put to shame

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	20-02-2003 00:12									#11
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quote: Was it also avaliable for the PC back in the day?

Yes.

	20-02-2003 03:49									#12
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quote: Originally posted by PotatoKing I noticed the reviewer mentioned having played robosport! Never seen anybody else mention this cool game which is the first one I ever bothered to play hotseat (on the old mac). Was it also avaliable for the PC back in the day? It would rock to get a copy (though getting to run would be a challenge)> PK

My friends and I wasted many hours in college in front of my old Mac playing Robosport. Heheheheh... a 40Mb hard drive, 8Mb of RAM and a 2400 baud modem... I was cookin'!

The review sounded very good though I would have liked to have heard the third point of view as well. At this point though, I don't want to read any more reviews... as Keyshaun Johnson might say, "Just give me the dam game."

(yes, I spelled it that way on purpose... PG site)

	20-02-2003 03:57									#13
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quote: My friends and I wasted many hours in college in front of my old Mac playing Robosport. Heheheheh... a 40Mb hard drive, 8Mb of RAM and a 2400 baud modem... I was cookin'!

wow, you were cooking! the ol' MAC plus would take quite awhile to process the turns (10-15 minutes on a big map)... we ususally watched movies/TV while playing.

quote: The review sounded very good though I would have liked to have heard the third point of view as well. At this point though, I don't want to read any more reviews... as Keyshaun Johnson might say, "Just give me the dam game."

Didn't bother to mention the review since I would just be parroting what others had said... but job well done! Moo3 looks/sounds like the game I hoped Moo2 would be!

PK

	20-02-2003 05:40									#14
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Stuie, I think by "Civ III oil", the revs mean the overbalanced power "brought" by tanks for a civ at war against other(s) that doesn't have the resource, so sticked with units much less powerful ( cavalry and less ). The gap is effectively easily unbalanced in your favor if you discover oil many turns before your opponents, but way less than MoO2's creative pick or Alpha Centauri's copters and specialists.

The most freightening thing about this review that doesn't leave my mind ( and until I get the game ): "kissing my social life goodbye"....If I'm stucked to play MoO3 drugged with so much addictivity, I only pray then to NOT skip my supper during a "noon to midnight" session.... This is the kind of review making the can't wait into something more like an unbearable torture .

	20-02-2003 05:42									#15
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My only hope is I get the game before I find another job. This laid-off thing is not nearly as bad as advertised.

	20-02-2003 06:43									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Master Marcus Stuie, I think by "Civ III oil", the revs mean the overbalanced power "brought" by tanks for a civ at war against other(s) that doesn't have the resource, so sticked with units much less powerful ( cavalry and less ). The gap is effectively easily unbalanced in your favor if you discover oil many turns before your opponents, but way less than MoO2's creative pick or Alpha Centauri's copters and specialists.

Unbalanced it may be, but it's also highly realistic. Civs/nations without a reliable source of oil have great difficulty keeping their war machines dependent on oil running in wartime (Japan during WWII anyone? ).

The gripe I have with Civ3's strategic resource system is not that oil (for instance) is so critical (that's the way it SHOULD be), it's that a democratic civilization (for instance) has the ability to sit on the world's oil supply and prevent ANY oil from reaching your civilization. To be more realistic (and less unbalanced), the game could have allowed players to buy oil "off of the black market" or somesuch at inflated prices. No country has ever realistically been capable of preventing another from gettting ANY oil (even Japan in WWII had at least some oil, though they were critically short) For instance, units that require oil could be twice or even three times the shield cost if you don't have a source of strategic oil, but they shouldn't be IMPOSSIBLE to build.

The other problem with oil in Civ3 was that you could put a tank anywhere on the board beyond your supply lines if it had been constructed while your empire had a source of oil. To be evil and more realistic (and to make paratroopers and marines with helicopters more important in the late game), mechanized infantry, tanks, and modern armor should only be allowed to MOVE and attack (but not defend, they can always defend) if their current location is linked by road network to your source of oil Now THAT would add some real strategy to the game in terms of oil and force people to use industrial/modern foot units when they can't reach a place with a reliable supply of oil for a tank rush

But I digress... this is off topic.

	21-02-2003 19:04									#17
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Returning to the topic.....

The third reviewer (DeadDireWolf) has been added to the Orion Sector review. I was happy to see that his list of games played is more in line with my experiences (no, I never played Robosport).

	22-02-2003 00:15									#18
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Well I than happy that they arenot make than game where you need than hi power graphic card. I have than Gateway computer built in 2000 with than built-in Intell graphic card with 4 meg of ram with 191 meg of memony. Sound it might run on my system. Like game which have than steep learning curces.

	22-02-2003 02:03									#19
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Great review. Especially with the addition of the walkthru (A typical game )

Gave me a better idea of the feel than any of the other reviews. One drawback though:

Now I'm somewhat SCARED of receiving the game
I have wife, kids and a pretty timeconsuming job to attend to.... ...ah well, I'll start warning them all right away. And unlike Asmodean, I have some sick leave to draw on...

(a bit) More seriously though: A friend of mine have a funny, but not entirely strange criterion for judging the gameplay quality of strategy games: Is this too much like going to work?
This review got me wondering.......
..but only whether I'll reach the stage of actual playing, before Christmas, given the pockets of time available to me.....

God, I'll make you a deal: Eliminate my need for sleep and I promise you I'll give up life at 65, come to Heaven and fix your data integrity probs for you. You obviously have some of those, since my Mom is dead and Saddam is still alive...

	22-02-2003 06:01									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Stuie Returning to the topic..... The third reviewer (DeadDireWolf) has been added to the Orion Sector review. I was happy to see that his list of games played is more in line with my experiences (no, I never played Robosport).

and just to incite people to read carefully DeadDireWolf's comments about the AI planetary management: Infrastructure, and the 2 build queues...very detailed - he's almost saying: you can let the AI handle the DEAs zoning, the colony's Econ, and the planetary building queue; the player should keep control of the military queue according to the specific gameplay style because the AI seems to emphasize alot ground troops and system defense ships ( but that's perhaps of the global military plan of the reviewer, more defensive than "total war"?)..... quite revealing on how to play the firsts games....

	22-02-2003 06:03									#21
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quote: It is curious that physical courage should be so common in the world and moral courage so rare.

Hey, OmniDude, that quote from Mark Twain... can you point me to where that came from? I wonder whether it was a book or an article... if you can recall, I'd appreciate it.

	22-02-2003 12:29									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Master Marcus and just to incite people to read carefully DeadDireWolf's comments about the AI planetary management: Infrastructure, and the 2 build queues...very detailed - he's almost saying: you can let the AI handle the DEAs zoning, the colony's Econ, and the planetary building queue; the player should keep control of the military queue according to the specific gameplay style because the AI seems to emphasize alot ground troops and system defense ships ( but that's perhaps of the global military plan of the reviewer, more defensive than "total war"?)..... quite revealing on how to play the firsts games....

England try to retake the Brittery area of French from the Germany force in 1942 and got they *ss kick by the Germany. Ike is critized by some for being for not invadeing
occuprate French in 1943. I believe Ike make the right decivion by waiting for 1944. Unless you are so overweilking strong the best thing you can do before planning on going to war is built your defense to protect your planet from attack.

	23-02-2003 04:20									#23
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Billybarouch1,

It's great isn't it? I have to admit that I just stumbled upon the quote and was struck by it. I am by no means a Mark Twain connaisseur (though I'd like to be after checking him out some more...).
Having looked around a bit, I've tracked down the quote to a book, MARK TWAIN IN ERUPTION: Hitherto Unpublished Pages About Men and Events. Edited by Bernard DeVoto. 402 pages. Harper
The book is from the 40's so don't expect it to be easy to track down.

	23-02-2003 09:09									#24
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OmniDude,

Thank you! I'll look for it. To me it means... I don't know what it means. But I want to learn.

Here's a tidbit for you. Someone told me the name "Mark Twain," which we all know as the pseudonym of Samuel Clemens, was/is also a term describing a riverboat's passage to a certain mark right in between the dangerous shoals on either bank. This was the spot the pilots aimed for when currents were pushing them one way or the other.

	25-02-2003 21:19									#25
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Billy,

to me it means: how wierd that among those that get the attention of the world there are so many people doing bungee jumping, parachuting, mountainclimbing, riverrafting, extreme drug experimenting, speed driving and whathaveyou, whereas people who truly put their money where their mouth is and stay true to whatever moral values they pretend to hold, are rare and generally deemed uninteresting/undervalued.

edit: fixing grammar