19-02-2003 10:05									#31
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I'm not familiar with that..

	19-02-2003 10:06									#32
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Which? Mit Brennender Sorge or euthanasia?

	19-02-2003 10:06									#33
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I find that hard to believe when the condemnation the man did levy against the German state failed to have the effect you seem to ascribe to it.

	19-02-2003 10:09									#34
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Mit Brennader Sorge. Who was he?

	19-02-2003 10:18									#35
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It was a document, Ramo... do try to keep up .

http://www.cin.org/docs/mitbrenn.html

It basically says the German Reich really isn't Christian and is an enemy of the Church.

	19-02-2003 10:30									#36
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Fair enough. But from what I've read: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05413a.htm

An encyclial isn't addressed to laypeople anyways. I doubt that these preachings had been disseminated too widely...

	19-02-2003 12:33									#37
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"I'd consider giving some sort of demonstration to a group of ambassadors…"
"Demonstrate one of the the atomic bombs to Japanese observers."

What Japanese diplomats? The military were firmly in control at that point. Many generals/admirals found reports of the magnitude of the a-bomb incredible. Those who tentatively accepted the reports thought America might only have one. Attempts to open diplomatic talks after the first were rebuffed.

Even after the second it was Soviet armies reaching the straights north of Hokkaido that prompted a quick surrender to the Yanks as an infinitely preferable alternative. The US knew the Soviets could soon launch an attack on Hokkaido and wanted to make certain Japan surrendered before that happened.

	19-02-2003 12:47									#38
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I read they needed to record the Emperors voice to LP's, to convince the more fanatic soldiers that the war was infact over.

I don't think, after the first bomb, that the japanese knew, for sure, whether it was just one bomb, or one off many off the usual hundred+ plane bombings.

	19-02-2003 12:51									#39
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Papal influence had died as a significant force in Europe a long time ago. If the Church couldn't deliver France during the 30 years war in the 17th century how could it deliver Catholic Europe in the 20th? Moreover, any papal order condemning the Holocaust would likely have been censored. Moreover, any Catholic devout enough to become a dissident over a papal order likely would understand already that the Holocaust is a horrendus atrocity anyway. However condemning Hitler directly could lead to more persecution of Catholics or even German troops storming the Vatican(Hitler actually had thought up plans to do this but they were not executed)

If you want to find horrible and evil stuff the Church has done, there is plenty of stuff out there. Don't go for the tired act of Papal conduct during WWII

	19-02-2003 14:55									#40
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As Pope I would follow hundreds of years of catholic policy and congratulate Hitler and wish him well in his porject to exterminate the Christ killers