19-02-2003 10:09									#1
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Here are a couple of posts made by chantz on the IGMOO boards regarding the release of MOO3 (and the mass of emails that have been sent to the IG PR department):

Folks,

PLEASE stop flooding our poor PR admins (Mary Ann) mailbox demanding that MOO3 get released.

It'll be out next week, so please, just chill. I can't make it ship to stores any sooner.

I thank you in advance.

Best,
Constantine

And later there was this post:

Folks,

*I'm* not snubbing the fans. But, there's only so much i can do within the "big corporate machine". I screamed and hollered to have this released earlier, to no avail. So, Feb 25th it is, and that is that.

It'll be worth the wait.

Best,
C

So the game will be out on the 2/25/03... no early release but at least there is only one more week to wait for it.

	19-02-2003 10:27									#2
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well atleast I will be studying for my midterm that comes on next wednesday then.

	19-02-2003 10:32									#3
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Not to forget the following, of course:

I'd like nothing better than to have the game come out *yesteday*.

*I'm* not sitting on it. Heck, if i had my way, it'd be in your hands right now.

Best,
C

Kind of sad how a simple request to stop spamming turned into a flame war... Oh well, one more week, and we can all stop reading those flames, and enjoy what we have been waiting for for so long.

	19-02-2003 10:35									#4
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Well, it's official. Next Tuesday it is.

Perhaps we'll be dug out of our front driveway and down the street by then

We've been snowed in since Saturday

	19-02-2003 10:53									#5
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quote: Yes, and the sentence before that said the internal date (both IG and QS) for gold and release is WELL before that, hence why I said I'd off myself if it wasn't out by then. Markos has played the game, Xentax, and a few others here, they know how friggin close it is at this point. (And no, you wiseacres, WELL before doesn't mean a week before the 28th of Feb...)

No it doesnt. Apparently, WELL means 3 days befoer 28-FEB.

	19-02-2003 11:39									#6
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quote: Originally posted by 13Matt13 No it doesnt. Apparently, WELL means 3 days befoer 28-FEB.

Except in europe, where it means 7 days later

	19-02-2003 12:07									#7
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I suppose we can hope that the -antzes have learned the foolishness of saying "I will die before the game is released after X time period" for any game over which the distinct possibility of such a delay exists

As in politics, it's many times better to just say you don't know

	19-02-2003 12:08									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Grumbold Except in europe, where it means 7 days later

Count thyself lucky. Unless ordering from the supplier, the general consensus down-under seems to be the 28th of March or thereabouts..

	19-02-2003 14:28									#9
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Same for the South east asian side of things... could be worse though

	19-02-2003 16:12									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Grumbold Except in europe, where it means 7 days later

:

Exception to the exception: in Germany it's 25.02. as well (at least I very much hope so).

	19-02-2003 16:14									#11
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quote: Originally posted by ravagon Count thyself lucky. Unless ordering from the supplier, the general consensus down-under seems to be the 28th of March or thereabouts..

Based on the reviews coming in and my uncertainty about the content of the UK version I've preordered the US game, so if I'm lucky I might just scrape in under the 28 feb deadline...

	19-02-2003 20:48									#12
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According to ebworld.com, the 25th is the ship date, meaning we won't see it until the 26th. I wouldn't plan on actually getting it until Wednesday.

	19-02-2003 21:00									#13
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I wasn't the one of the apparently many people who sent them emails requesting release. I however am glad people did it. How long have the developers known it wouldn't be out until next week? It doesn't seem like they would come clean and tell us if peons if people weren't harrasing them. I was checking these forums and the IGMOO forums 2-3 times a day to see if people started chiming in that they saw it in stores. If the devs knew it wouldn't be out until 2/25 then they should have told us as soon as they knew. I don't like my emotions being toyed with needlessly, and I would like nothing better then to screw em over and not buy the game but the reviews are good so, alas, they have me. Just cause they have me doesn't make me less annoyed by the whole release thing though. Plus, this has to be the longest time for a game I know of from gold to shelves. It is more frustrating waiting now because before at least I could rationalize that they were improving the game. These delays seem so needless. Plus, until they said this I had an any day now type attitude so I would get my hopes elated and then deflated several times a day. Finally, I was snowed in yesterday and it really would have been the perfect day to own MOO3. Sorry for complaining-I know it won't change anything or accomplish much. However, I believe alot of people feel the same as me.

	19-02-2003 21:14									#14
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quote: PLEASE stop flooding our poor PR admins (Mary Ann) mailbox demanding that MOO3 get released. But, there's only so much i can do within the "big corporate machine".

Then just give us the address of the "big corporate machine" instead. Whoever's responsible for the delay should be taught a lesson.

	19-02-2003 22:04									#15
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LOL, and what lesson would that be??????


Look, the only "lesson" that you as the fan have is to vote with your pocketbook. Infogames is a company and they have certain criteria for doing things. If you don't like them, then do not partake of thier products..... its that simple. Posting silly pseudo-threatening messages really accomplishes nothing.

Now that we have a pretty definative answer, we should all just chill out and wait for the game to come out. After all patience is very much a virtue - and some of you with the snow should get out and enjoy it!!!!!

edit for spelling

Last edited by Utrecht on 19-02-2003 at 22:10

	20-02-2003 00:02									#16
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Has anybody heard anything solid about European release??

Asmodean

	20-02-2003 00:06									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Grumbold Except in europe, where it means 7 days later

WHich leads one to woner, does that qualify as heart attack, or mild stroke?

drs: Does it really matter how long it was known? If not for the e-mail campaign, they wouldnt have even "confirmed" the 25th date. So it would seem that it at least had SOME effect.

	20-02-2003 00:25									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Arnelos I suppose we can hope that the -antzes have learned the foolishness of saying "I will die before the game is released after X time period" for any game over which the distinct possibility of such a delay exists

Well, I failed to keep in mind the fundamental law that, just because a publisher *says* they are going to release it in a certain timeframe, and they have it in their hands, doesn't mean they will.

Our drop-dead was mid January no more tweaks, adjustments, nothing. The final gold version was out of our hands at that point and we were given the impression that IG would put a priority on it's release. No later than Feb 14th.

Well, obviously they changed their minds. It's their money, so they make those calls.

	20-02-2003 00:29									#19
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Rantz: Are you privy to information on why that decision was made, and if you are: Will you tell??

Asmodean

	20-02-2003 00:41									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Asmodean Rantz: Are you privy to information on why that decision was made, and if you are: Will you tell?? Asmodean

I have my suspicions, but no facts, so it'd just be speculation.

	20-02-2003 01:19									#21
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I'm sure it all comes down to this in the end (as far as IG is concerned) :

	20-02-2003 01:59									#22
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Are you kidding? IG has nothing but the best intentions and desires only the goodwill of their consumers! They're only in this because they're gamers at heart!

	20-02-2003 02:19									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Utrecht LOL, and what lesson would that be??????

Not buying the game is just cutting off your nose to spite the face.

The lesson is that we can be heckuva annoying, as that PR person learned. Except we do it to the bigwigs so that their mailbox is filled with complaints and they can't conduct normal business. That can have more severe consequences than the loss of a single purchase.

How else did you think we got IG to remove the stupid CD protection from NWN through a patch (which an earlier patch had made worse)? By flooding them with emails and tech support calls until they decided it would be better for their stress levels to comply.

	20-02-2003 03:26									#24
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LOL,

Well if that is what you choose to believe, far be it for me to disuade you......

Now, I will agree with you that compaines will respond with an action designed to reduce call center volume (or anything else to reduce expenses). But slamming a "bigwig" is not the same thing......

The bottom line is that IG made a corporate decision (right, wrong or indifferent) and to rail against the heavens because of it is really only going to give you an ulcer (or some other stress malady). But to each thier own - I just wish it did not involve so much noise

	20-02-2003 03:30									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Stuie I'm sure it all comes down to this in the end (as far as IG is concerned) :

What? You thought that they were a charity???? Of course it comes down to money - they are a corporation after all. All for profit organizations are designed to do that - make a profit. Apparently, someone (again, whether it was the right decision is debatable - but certainly not by us since we do not have all the facts) felt that IG profitability would be improved by holding the game back........

	20-02-2003 03:52									#26
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I still don't get how making your customers angry increases profit though. Chances are IG is just stupid and has no idea what it's doing.

	20-02-2003 03:56									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Utrecht LOL, Well if that is what you choose to believe, far be it for me to disuade you...... Now, I will agree with you that compaines will respond with an action designed to reduce call center volume (or anything else to reduce expenses). But slamming a "bigwig" is not the same thing...... The bottom line is that IG made a corporate decision (right, wrong or indifferent) and to rail against the heavens because of it is really only going to give you an ulcer (or some other stress malady). But to each thier own - I just wish it did not involve so much noise

So by your logic we should just shut anfd take it like good little sheep? No thanks, I'll continue to rail against the system, to change it or better yet, bring it down completely...

	20-02-2003 03:57									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Rantz I have my suspicions, but no facts, so it'd just be speculation.

Specualtion you say? Then you've come to the right place! We love to speculate around here so feel free to jump on in and do some speculating!

Okay, seriously... thanks for the continued presence over here on 'Poly and for giving out as much info as you are able. I would love for MOO3 to be released as soon as possible and I'm very eager to play it. Time marches onward and the game will get here eventually.

	20-02-2003 04:42									#29
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how about in Portugal, maybe 02/2004 or 02/2005

	20-02-2003 05:25									#30
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That Igmoo thread was hilarious.