20-02-2003 04:13									#1
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	20-02-2003 18:55									#2
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I've replayed the 1625 BC turn and found an interesting thing : there are borders of a Lux's city in the upper right corner of our known land. If we send there our warrior, we could see what's happening in this area.

Another thing I noticed : Lux hasn't Mathematics yet. Perhaps we could sell them it at a low price to try to help them to face ND in some manner with these bombardment units. I don't remember if we have treaties wich could prevent this trade.

Just a suggestion.

	20-02-2003 18:59									#3
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Wouldnt it be really daft of ND to build a city behind our borders? I mean really really daft? We'd culture flip it right?
I dont know where their settler is right now, but what if they decide to go towards madrid and colonize the last silk? It would secure them the entire jungle and a city right next to madrid. I suggest our 2 northern warrior units "escort" them out and that we send a polite message that the jungle is a no-go zone and that it constitutes our northern border, any incursion will be considered a hostility.

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	20-02-2003 19:28									#4
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Very good point Astrologix!

Not give it as gift, but sell Mathematics to Lux at a low price. To cover ourselves we can tell them that we consider this low price as the first payment and that we expect something else later if they survive.

Have you seen which other civs don't have mathematics yet, Astrologix? We don't want Lux to techwhore it!

LzPrst: If ND founded a city behind our borders it would be a permanent treat to us. Eventually we would have to conquer it, which would be used for them as an excuse to invade us.

	20-02-2003 19:40									#5
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oliverfa, GS doesn't has Mathematics either.

	20-02-2003 19:59									#6
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If our new Great Despot Augusto Togas agrees, maybe Ambassador Ninot could negotiate with GS to see what they can offer us for Mathematics and meanwhile jdjdjd could negotiatie with Lux and hopefully both exchanges could be agreed in a few turns.

	20-02-2003 20:48									#7
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Pamplona grows again this turn. Please make sure that the WF are set to:

code:
     shielded grassland, #2
     unshielded grassland, #1 -- (new WF)
     cattle bonus, #7
     cattle bonus, #8

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	20-02-2003 21:59									#8
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quote: Originally posted by oliverfa LzPrst: If ND founded a city behind our borders it would be a permanent treat to us.

Why, because the food is so delicious there and Arab women are so beautiful and easy It’s a lot different from being a permanent threat to us.

	20-02-2003 22:04									#9
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They would turn us into lazy people who only want to eat arab food and stay with arab women. And when we wanted to realize, we would be conquered

OOC: They have higher culture than us, so our cities would be the ones fliped, not theirs.

And, if you ask me. Chineese women are much more pretty

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Barcelona : no changes

I've decided that spearman is the best production for the moment. This could continue for still 8 turns, then we'll have 19 shields accumulated. We could then switch to an improvement, like barracks or temple, or to a galley, in case that we had Map Making. Building a new settler would be another possibility.

I assume that a new warrior (that could be achieved in 2 turns) is not interesting for our defense, because, we couldn't upgrade it for the moment. And I wouldn't create a new worker, because Barcelona is growing very slowly.

Assuming that a spearman is interesting in all cases, we still have 8 turns to decide if it should be switched to another production.

	20-02-2003 23:33									#11
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Madrid Expedition should go West to fight the evil big cat!

But seriously... North, or NW if Lux blocks us.

	20-02-2003 23:50									#12
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There is a foggy area W of Saragossa and N of Pamplona. A sentry is needed on one mountain in order to avoid any surprise.

	21-02-2003 03:39									#13
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I think there should be raised some critics of the two workers digging roads down in Barcelona. They could have been way on building the Pamplona-Madrid route by now.

	21-02-2003 03:43									#14
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Astrologix Slaves: build road

	21-02-2003 05:27									#15
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Deal made with Lux. They will pay 40g for Mathematics. Offer Math this turn.

--Togas

	21-02-2003 06:51									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Crousto Madrid Expedition should go West to fight the evil big cat!

Yes, that cat is even more frightening than the stack of swordsmen. Notice that is it Arab yellow. What if it should wake up? It could just bound across the country and stomp on our cities and use Madrid as a litter box Especially with all the fish in Barcelona to attract it this way. HistoryGuy, did you notice any sorcery when you in NeuTheben?

Orders: Wander around Barcelona, protecting it from barbarians and the Furry Norman, the giant cat. If Lord Togas wants to them to go northwards to the border, than northwards they shall go, but quietly so as not to wake up the giant cat

	21-02-2003 07:36									#17
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Results

spear from Madrid moves W
magyars NW (they are on patrol)
Spear arrives in Saragossa. Fortify.
Bulgers N
Feros NE
Mad Exp N (see Lux capital borders)
GuOps moves SE (barbarian S, SW of Santiago, threatens our worker making road. GuOps to intercept and destroy)

Astro worker Road

WF in Pamplona changed to use tile #1

We offer math to Lux and GS.

Lux needs Math, Writing, & Contact with GS.
GS needs Math & HBR & contact with ND and Lux

Research set back to 80% -- lit in 5 turns. 2gpt

Arne on Mountain S, S of Pamplona

New Neu Dem City (Marlowa) NW, NW, NW, N of Saragossa. NE, NE, N, N of Santiago

Military Strength: Strong to GS, Vox, Lux; Ave to GoW; Weak to ND.

Macromanni tribes near Santiago!

Images HERE

--Togas

	21-02-2003 12:14									#18
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So ND didn't go straight to the iron...

	21-02-2003 17:50									#19
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[ooc]
I know they have one iron source already. Thus having a stack of swordsmen fencing their way up Trip's sore @ss. They are probably planning the conquest of Santiago by now, so they can cut us off from the iron and wreak havoc in the Saragossa area. Yeah, that's what I would do if I was the ND-boss.
Or perhaps not, if they are afraid of an alliance forging against them if they do so? Do Saragossa need to build horsemen now, or am I just being PARANOID ???
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	21-02-2003 18:52									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Togas Research set back to 80% -- lit in 5 turns. 2gpt

So we gained 4 extra gold last turn and out research hasn't been delayed. That's great!

	21-02-2003 20:30									#21
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code:
SCORE:
RP:  89 (+1)
GS:  70 (+3)
GoW: 68 (+1)
ND:  62 (+2)
Vox: 42 (+1)
Lux: 34 (stalled)

CULTURE:
GoW: 132
ND:  125
Vox: 122
RP:  119
GS:   92
Lux:  92

	21-02-2003 21:20									#22
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quote: Originally posted by oliverfa CULTURE: GoW: 132 ND: 125 Vox: 122 RP: 119 GS: 92 Lux: 92

That's the first I've heard of this. I didn't know we were lagging culturally. Has GoW been "building" temples? What a bunch of sissies...

	21-02-2003 21:30									#23
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Building temples is a good way to grab land. Specially if that land has some resource that you need. That's the only reason I can think of for all that civs building temples.

By the way, we are the ones suposed to be religious It seems that we got the wrong civ!

	21-02-2003 23:07									#24
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quote: Originally posted by ruby_maser That's the first I've heard of this. I didn't know we were lagging culturally. Has GoW been "building" temples? What a bunch of sissies...

wow... I never figured that GoW would use the same strategy as China that I've recently embarked upon in internal pbem game #2

Hell, Glory of War's China in the inter-team game apparently started building temples long before I started building them as China in Game #2!!! and I call myself a "builder" and they call themselves the "warriors"

Interesting...