21-02-2003 09:12									#31
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just say NO to democracy.

quote: Originally posted by Azazel Currently, democracy is the most effective form of government.

no, it is not!
and if it is, its only because it is the only form of goverment right now existing in the world.

	21-02-2003 09:24									#32
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My point was the democracy doesn't work without education... and a great majority of America is ignorant... this thread... well proves it

	21-02-2003 09:24									#33
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BTW DetroitDave is the person who first said that thing about "beer swilling NASCAR fans".

	21-02-2003 09:29									#34
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I dun voted fer Bush... we gonna git those dang Afgamistins and those EEraqkees!

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	21-02-2003 09:35									#35
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No. The masses are asses.

	21-02-2003 10:18									#36
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This was actually a half good troll.

5/10.

	21-02-2003 10:22									#37
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I got mad skillz, yo .

	21-02-2003 10:35									#38
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I dun voted bush before and i'm gone do it agin

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	21-02-2003 10:50									#39
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Sava,

I thought the first one was you.

	21-02-2003 11:39									#40
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Why of course we want leaders who, like Clinton, are true democrats. He truly wanted to lead us by getting out in front of the crowd. He conducted polls every day to see how his most recent trial balloon was fairing. He always took the popular path. A popular "leader" he was. A Democrat!

	21-02-2003 11:45									#41
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Democracy, as I see it, is the idea that people have freedom over themselves, without the state or corporations telling them how to live. I'm a (small-d) democrat in all aspects of society.

	21-02-2003 12:01									#42
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Sava - where did you get those pictures of Chegitz?

	21-02-2003 12:02									#43
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I swill beer and like NASCAR.

	21-02-2003 12:08									#44
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I bet that deep inside, many people are glad that it's politicians who have to make all dirty decisions for them.

	21-02-2003 12:20									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Andemagne and if it is, its only because it is the only form of goverment right now existing in the world.

...thanks to 5000 years of constant trial and error. Survival of the fittest, baby!

	21-02-2003 15:07									#46
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The elite needs the masses to keep them from acending into the dreamy land of fantasy that usually far exceeds realitic expectations and the masses needs the elite to keep them from stagnating to the point of decay.


or something along those lines.

	21-02-2003 16:04									#47
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there's a big difference between a representative and direct democracy. In Switzerland where people vote on issues more than 4 times a year and that for 150 years already you can usually trust the people to make the right choice. However, we're bound to turn down big reforms or very progressive proposals, so it's not always as good as it sounds. It might also be the case that this works far better for a small country. Nevertheless I think that our system is probably the closest you can get to true democracy while still have a working state. And, Churchill was totally right...

	22-02-2003 21:20									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Darius871 ...thanks to 5000 years of constant trial and error. Survival of the fittest, baby!

survival of fittest. bah humbugh
how can persecution (like what USA is doing to IRAK) be survival of fittest?
what makes Dictatorship less fitt to survive than Demoncracy?
and demoncracy was invented only 2500 years ago.

	22-02-2003 21:26									#49
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By 'fittest' I didn't mean 'moral', and I'm sure Darwin didn't either. Since Homo Sapiens Sapiens dominates the globe while Neanderthals are extinct, we can reasonably assume that Homo Sapiens Sapiens is a superior species.

Since democracy (coupled with both moderately regulated capitalism and the rule of law) rules the world after thousands of years of societal evolution and fierce competition, I can similarly assume that it is more 'fit' than other social systems. Whether or not it is moral is another issue.

	22-02-2003 22:15									#50
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Benevolent dictatorship is the best form of government.

If you don't want the bum down the street having just as much of a say as you, why do you want it reigning over you as a tyrant? People who want a benevolent dictatorship always seem to forget that they won't be the ones who get to be dictators.

...thanks to 5000 years of constant trial and error. Survival of the fittest, baby!

It's too bad that we are heading towards a situation where the fittest will be the fittest by default due to a lack of competition. Humanity needs an independent Mars if it is to remain free.

	22-02-2003 22:22									#51
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Nah Slowwhand, I'd much rather stay in my homeland and bring democracy back to the people instead of surrendering it to white trash and rich corporations!

	22-02-2003 22:37									#52
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education does not equal intelligence nor wisdom nor can education improve either...history is replete with examples of people lacking formal education that nonetheless made a great impact on the world we live in