20-02-2003 23:38									#1
	Turn 58, 1575 BC Support Apolyton

To be edited by the leaders of the Scholia.

Status:
- Researching Code of Laws at 100%, ready in 5 turns.
- 52 gold cash, -2 per turn

Urgent questions:

Military:
Grog is "sentrified" to ensure we see Vox movement.

Economy:
- Worker east of Cyclone starts mining.

Diplomacy:
- Expect contact to Lux from Vox

Last edited by Theseus on 21-02-2003 at 11:06

	21-02-2003 00:15									#2
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What about ND?
Should we just wait for them to buy our contact or should we do something to speed things up? CoL will be ready in 5 or 4 turns, and we don't want to lose a client just because they were too lazy or too cheap to buy our contact.
Note: doing something doesn't necessarily mean buying contact with ND. We could, for example, ask Vox to sell our contact to them for a very discounted price, to which they will probably not refuse.

	21-02-2003 01:13									#3
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military comment: Is Grog fortified or sentried? I would sentry him, so that we are notified by any movement by Vox. Right now, it could be possible for them to move a horse along the road, from one end Grog's line of sight to the other, without him noticing. If he's on sentry, he wakes up if that would happen.

I'm not sure if I asked this already

DeepO

	21-02-2003 09:24									#4
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Good one, DeepO.

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Make it so.

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	21-02-2003 09:45									#5
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Um, Theseus, shouldn't your "Make it so" be edited into the top of the thread?

	21-02-2003 11:02									#6
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Sorry, not used to this editing concept, still. I will do so now.

	21-02-2003 11:15									#7
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There can be a problem with Sentry in MP. I would not rely on it. I do not have enough experience with PBEM to say the problem effects this game or not.

	21-02-2003 13:24									#8
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quote: Originally posted by DeepO military comment: Is Grog fortified or sentried? I would sentry him, so that we are notified by any movement by Vox. Right now, it could be possible for them to move a horse along the road, from one end Grog's line of sight to the other, without him noticing. If he's on sentry, he wakes up if that would happen. I'm not sure if I asked this already DeepO

I have sentried all warriors instead of fortifying them, the barbarian lookouts too. So unless Nathan has changed this intentionally or by accident, all should be sentried. I'm not sure if this helps, though.

	21-02-2003 18:11									#9
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Ah, so I wasn't first at any rate

I didn't hear from the problems, do you mean that warriors aren't fortified during the enemy's turn, or that they don't wake up when they need to?

I haven't seen a problem yet, but my PBEM experience is only limited to the Euro PBEM game. In there, sentry has worked fine for me...

DeepO

	21-02-2003 20:19									#10
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I haven't unsentried any warriors just to switch them to being fortified, but I'm not used to using the sentry command so any workers I put in position and you didn't sentry would be fortified.

	21-02-2003 20:39									#11
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Playing the turn now.

RP offers us Mathematics, we decline.
Vox offers us Mathematics (accepted), we accept and possess Mathematics now. Vox forgot a second time to give us contact to Lux.

EotS grew to size 5 and makes 4 food surplus, 5 shields now. 11 shields remaining for a settler. Not optimal. We should either put one laborer from fur forest (where he was put automatically) to irrigated plains (growing in 2 turns, settler ready in 3) or rearrange laborers next turn to steal some missing shields from Hurricane (growing in 3 turns, settler ready in 2). Assuming Nathan suggested the 2nd option, since he didn't write anything about rearranging the laborers.

	21-02-2003 22:47									#12
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Ok I won't wait any longer. I won't touch the laborers in EotS. Next turn we can adjust them to complete the settler. The turn after this, the city grows again.

Team Scores:

102 (+2) Gathering Storm
109 (+2) Demogyptica
90 (+2) Glory of War
112 (+3) Role Play
80 (+2) Vox Controli
74 (-1) Lux Invicta
123 (+2) Legoland

	21-02-2003 22:52									#13
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	22-02-2003 00:15									#14
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What can cause a team's score to drop other than losing territory and lux/res?
I'm not quite familiar with how score is calculated. If someone else is, maybe we can learn something from Lux's score dropping by 1 this turn.

	22-02-2003 00:26									#15
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Shiber,

They disbanded a city - the lost pop and territory would account for it, no?

We have math...

You know, I was thinking... especially with this being chieftain and all (easy to keep big cities happy), it would be awfully nice to somehow snag Construction soon.

-Arrian

	22-02-2003 00:54									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian They disbanded a city - the lost pop and territory would account for it, no?

Yes, but that happened several turns ago.

	22-02-2003 01:12									#17
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Shiber, correct me if I'm wrong, but you are referring to the -1 turn score?

	22-02-2003 01:19									#18
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Yes. Do you think they lost another city? (if so, they're down to one if I'm not mistaken)

	22-02-2003 01:39									#19
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Sorry about missing the fact that EotS was going to grow this turn. Things got a bit crazy for me last night with my having just been approved for the intersite game forum.

I'm issuing a standing order: unless there are instructions otherwise (or a military emergency), EotS always, ALWAYS, ALWAYS should be configured to grow as fast as possible after growth or building a worker or settler. (That doesn't mean waste shields producing more food than is needed for growth, of course.)

Nathan

	22-02-2003 02:00									#20
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Just a general question: when unit no longer has any moves and so cannot fortify, but then is told to fortify using the Fority All command, does it get the fortification bonus? This is something I've been wondering about a lot lately, and figured I would get the best response from GS (although this should by no means be a big secret).


Dominae

	22-02-2003 02:26									#21
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I've never run that particular test, but I'm pretty much positive I've upgraded units with no movement left as part of a shift-U upgrade. That makes it seem likely that Firaxis didn't add a "check for remaining movement" operation for the fortify option either.

	22-02-2003 02:36									#22
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No, they don't. The unit only gets the bonus next turn.
So yes the animation is misleading..

IIRC it was Soren who said this, somewhere on 'Poly.

	22-02-2003 03:26									#23
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Yeah, you're right Alva, I saw it quoted when working on the Alamo scenario (where we had the same problem). The animation is buggy, but the unit will not defend harder, it's purely an update problem in showing...

Score drop: pop-rushing... most likely explanation, as the score should have dropped a few turns ago when it they razed their city. But I'm still not certain how the score mentioned here works, whether it's the mean of all scores so far (like when calculating a hist-win), or whether it's immediate. If it's the mean, it could also be a delayed effect from the city, as getting an average means creating a delay in data... if it is a mean, it will probably drop again next time, and perhaps even the turn after that until it balances out again.

powergraph: nothing changed, which makes it clear that last turn, RP build some troops, or got a (large) cash deposit.

F11: land area dropped, but as more cities are getting border expansions from temples, that's not a problem.

DeepO

	22-02-2003 04:03									#24
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What I'm impressed with is that despite the 5 turns of disease, we are still #1 in population.

quote: Score drop: pop-rushing... most likely explanation, as the score should have dropped a few turns ago when it they razed their city. But I'm still not certain how the score mentioned here works, whether it's the mean of all scores so far (like when calculating a hist-win), or whether it's immediate. If it's the mean, it could also be a delayed effect from the city, as getting an average means creating a delay in data... if it is a mean, it will probably drop again next time, and perhaps even the turn after that until it balances out again.

You're probably right, these sound like the most likely explanations.

	22-02-2003 04:07									#25
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I like being #1 in commerce for the past 5 turns myself best... the gold and the river are certainly blessings to us!

But yes, 5 lost pop, and still #1 is also not bad

DeepO