22-02-2003 05:02									#31
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I agree, there's a time span when we've only got 2 Warriors, which is living slightly on the edge. But once the third Settler is ready, there are an equivalent number of Warriors available under both scenarios. However, I honestly do think that nothing is more important in the early-game than cranking out Settlers fast. The extra exploration we will do with our Warriors will 90% likely not change our build plans, unless we go for something crazy (IMO) like a 2-Merc. rush.

We've picked the civ to focus on economy, we might as well do it (this is not directed at you Nathan, but the team in general).


Dominae

	22-02-2003 05:58									#32
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that's the main thing that we really need to figure out, How many Warriors do we want initially. We can not count on getting any warriors from Huts, be we will likely get 1. But then, that requires finding another hut.

We definately want 1 warrior at home, for protection. We can send 1 off, 1 turn before we build the next 1. If we deside to go with a Granary first, how many warriors will we want. My plan has 3 warriors for scouting and 2 for defence (one each for the first 2 cities).

So, how many Warriors do we want to start out with??

E_T

	22-02-2003 06:01									#33
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It really depends on our neighbors. If we have anybody nearby, we need a fairly strong military early on. Getting a city out a few turns sooner is not worth risking being destroyed over. Lots of workers will also means lots of Swordsmen, which == good. If we're farther away, we can afford more risk, but I won't accept more than what's safe...

	22-02-2003 06:04									#34
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Friggin' awesome.

Faaaast REXing rocks.

	22-02-2003 06:08									#35
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At the same time in the game we'll have an equal number of warriors under both scenarios. The issue in the queue I proposed is that we will not have as many Warriors for exploring early on. Full exploration mode will come only around turn 30. Before then, we only have 1 Warrior for exploration. This does not sound like a lot, and I agree. But I'm convinced getting cities up faster is more important. We'll catch up in exploration big-time once we hit 3 cities, and we'll be all set to REX.


Dominae

	22-02-2003 07:20									#36
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I'm working on a compromise solution. I'll provide more details in a while.

E_T

	22-02-2003 09:13									#37
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"Here's a screenshot of turn 33 from the scenario above:"

I just hope our real terrain is not that... restrictive?

	22-02-2003 09:19									#38
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Heh, I could have surrounded us with Cows as far the eye can see, but it would have taken too long to set up...




Dominae

	22-02-2003 09:23									#39
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In my goody hut test, there was about a 20-30% chance of getting a new tech and these techs were Ceremonial Burial and Pottery.

	22-02-2003 18:09									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Dominae This may not be the best queue, but I defy anyone else to expand faster than this.

OK! I take the challenge.

quote: Originally posted by Dominae 11 Barracks 4S; capital grows, borders expand; Worker done Road, move to Forest

I think that the newly worked tile will yield 2 shields, changing the '4' into a '5' here.

quote: Originally posted by Dominae 15 Barracks 24S; Pottery discovered, begin Bronze Working

I think we can discover Pottery one turn earlier. Doesn't matter much, though.

quote: Originally posted by Dominae 20 Granary 59S, switch one laborer to Incense (no growth)

Due to the extra shield in turn 11, the Granary will be completed by now. No need to switch to the Incense tile, or to delay city growth.

quote: Originally posted by Dominae capital grows (Food box half full)

VERY clever idea (also: thanks Vondrack) to complete the Granary before growing to size 3, so that we start with the FoodBox half full.

At this time, we can start a Settler, using the worker to add 10 shields from a second forest. This will give us a Settler ready-to-move on turn 23! (if we switch to working a forest for 2 turns). Another option is to build a Warrior here, to increase our Military.

I put all my new findings in Scenario 6 (see Excel file). Dominae, and E_T, could you check the numbers for me, please? It is all rather 'on the edge' so all numbers must be correct!!
Thanks in advance!

	22-02-2003 18:22									#41
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Screenshots of Scenario 6, for the Excel-challenged:

	22-02-2003 23:49									#42
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Scenario 7 added.

	23-02-2003 01:20									#43
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The biggest things about getting a third warrior are (1) we can potentially get to more huts sooner (and perhaps more huts period if we have competition in the hunt for them), (2) we can find out who our neighbors are and start trading with them sooner, and (3) we can find out more about our land mass sooner. I think that's worth the small price we'd pay following the latest scenario Dominae posted instead of only building two warriors before starting the granary.

Of course if we get a warrior from the hut, we can always switch to the two-warrior plan.

Nathan

	23-02-2003 01:31									#44
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Additionally, we have three directions to explore.

	23-02-2003 02:04									#45
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I think we'll probably want to keep our third warrior in our capital just in case someone comes nosing around.

	23-02-2003 03:54									#46
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Scenarios 6 and 7 updated to match:

• Dominae's findings
  
• The fact that we're on Regent level now
  
• The fact that laborers are assigned before cultural expansion
  

	23-02-2003 06:16									#47
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quote: The fact that we're on Regent level now

Your getting me confused, is it regent or monarch level we are playing now?

	23-02-2003 08:03									#48
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Regent, as of turn 2.

	23-02-2003 08:25									#49
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I hate that bug...

	23-02-2003 09:17									#50
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look at the bright side... one less incense to find!

I say we keep a warrior nearby, just in case. Perhaps our first warrior can start returning to the capital once the second or third is completed especially since he ends up finding coast in the direction he is first sent.

	24-02-2003 03:14									#51
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We'll need to choose between Scenarios 6 and 7. This can give an interesting discussion. Fortunately, we'll only need a choice in Turn 11 or so, since we already made the tech switching decision.

Please take a look at the numbers and discuss!