22-02-2003 15:02									#1
	Password for the Savegame ZIP File Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

To keep the access to our savegames under control, while not denying them to our members altogether, it has been decided by the Consuls to provide them in password protected ZIP archives (posting the ZIP archive links in the Turn Reports & Summaries thread). The password will be revealed through a PM or email to anyone asking for it, the only condition being to accept the pledge mentioned below. The password may be changed from time to time, subject to further notice.

Note: The only exception will be the savegame for Turn 1 (4000BC), which will not be made publicly accessible because of security issues - the teams playing after Apolyton did not have their password set yet, thus likely to object making such a save publicly available.

quote:    The Savegame Pledge    I hereby pledge to: keep the password to the ZIP archive secret, not revealing it to anyone else. keep the unzipped savegame to myself only, never providing it to anyone else. play the moves for a given turn only as played by the Consuls and published in the Turn Reports & Summaries thread, never trying to reveal/look at tiles remaining shrouded or covered with the fog of war in the real savegame passed on to the next ISDG team. Note: just to make sure, what the save may be used for - after playing all the moves as published in the summary thread, you are free to play with working different city tiles, studying the effect of changes on the food/shield/gold output, and on various info screen (F1-F11) readings. You are also free to use a graphics mod of your preference. You are allowed to play a move that was not played by the Consuls only on condition that it would not alter the state of the savegame at the moment it was sent to the next team. Example: waking up a fortified unit, taking it then on a surveillance roundtrip using existing railroads, eventually ending in the starting position and fortifying there again. load the savegame using the Load Game function of the Main Menu only, never using the Load Game function available from within the running game. Note: as of PtW 1.14f, the only safe way to load a PBEM savegame is to use the Load Game function in the Main Menu. Other ways may easily mess up settings for the game (loading through the MP screen) or make you cheat (un)intentionally by exploiting the infamous "load PBEM game" bug (using the Load Game function from within a running game). never tell anyone about anything learned in the unfortunate event that I unintentionally breach one of the above rules, also refraining from posting any suggestions based upon this "illegaly" gained knowledge.

Apolyton ISDG Team members interested in being provided with the password, post here with a brief "I accept the pledge." post. You will be PMed the password soonafter.

	22-02-2003 16:46									#2
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EDIT: password PMed by vondrack.

	22-02-2003 16:56									#3
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quote: load the savegame using the Load Game function of the Main Menu only, never using the Load Game function available from within the running game.

Are we sure this is the right way to do it?

	22-02-2003 16:59									#4
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet quote: load the savegame using the Load Game function of the Main Menu only, never using the Load Game function available from within the running game. Are we sure this is the right way to do it?

I am. Tested countless (500+) times.

	22-02-2003 18:24									#5
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quote: Originally posted by vondrack I am. Tested countless (500+) times.

We can never be too sure.

I accept the pledge.

Btw, it'd be a good idea to delete the PM with the password as soon after it is read and keep the password in a secure place (preferably, in your head ).

EDIT: password PMed by vondrack.

	22-02-2003 18:48									#6
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I accept the pledge

Signed
Donegeal

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Last edited by vondrack on 22-02-2003 at 19:07

	22-02-2003 19:31									#7
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I accept the pledge.

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Last edited by vondrack on 22-02-2003 at 19:43

	22-02-2003 19:51									#8
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we are very security conscious here, aren't we?

I do accept this pledge.

btw, I have only loaded a PBEM wrong once.

EDIT: password PMed by vondrack.

	22-02-2003 20:16									#9
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I accept this pledge.

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Last edited by vondrack on 22-02-2003 at 20:26

	22-02-2003 20:31									#10
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I do accept the pledge... after my lawyer said it's ok.

EDIT: password PMed by vondrack.

Thanks, Vondrack.

Last edited by Aro on 22-02-2003 at 22:23

	22-02-2003 22:18									#11
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I had thought that I was accepting something like this when I had joined. It's just like what we already have from all of the other DG's. But then, we do have new people to the DG....

Of course I accept...

E_T

EDIT: password PMed by vondrack.

Last edited by vondrack on 22-02-2003 at 22:23

	22-02-2003 23:29									#12
	Inflate your Upload Space

I will abide by the pledge! (oooh... I feel like I just signed up for some kind of secret society... maybe I'll get a free t-shirt...)

EDIT: password PMed by vondrack.

	23-02-2003 00:29									#13
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I also accept the pledge

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	23-02-2003 01:03									#14
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I accept the pledge.

EDIT: password PMed by vondrack.

Last edited by vondrack on 23-02-2003 at 02:37

	23-02-2003 01:28									#15
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ditto

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leave this note here, please

Last edited by vondrack on 23-02-2003 at 11:29

	23-02-2003 02:50									#16
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I accept the pledge and kindly ask for the password

EDIT: password PMed by vondrack.

	23-02-2003 05:11									#17
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I accept the pledge.

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Last edited by vondrack on 23-02-2003 at 11:27

	23-02-2003 06:21									#18
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I accept the pledge, and would appreciate receiving the password.

EDIT: password PMed by vondrack.

Last edited by vondrack on 23-02-2003 at 11:28

	23-02-2003 06:27									#19
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Can I give the password to people who have given the pledge in this theard?

Yea

Nay

Abstain

	23-02-2003 07:06									#20
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I accept the pledge

EDIT: password PMed by vondrack.

Last edited by vondrack on 23-02-2003 at 11:30

	23-02-2003 09:00									#21
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MJW - it would probably be better for Vondrack to be the only one giving out the password. He'll handle it.

	23-02-2003 09:02									#22
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Am I the only one who thinks this is getting rather silly? First a password-protected save and now a pledge?

Fine. I'll jump through this hoop as well and promise not to open the save in a mannor that is inconsistant with this agrement and promise not to play ahead, etc, etc. Put me down as another pledgee and PM me the password as well.

--Togas

EDIT: password PMed by vondrack.

Last edited by vondrack on 23-02-2003 at 12:05

	23-02-2003 11:44									#23
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quote: Originally posted by MJW Can I give the password to people who have given the pledge in this theard?

I would prefer Consuls taking care of this. I have been PMing the passwords mostly within minutes, with the exception of when I went to bed to get some sleep.

	23-02-2003 12:04									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Togas Am I the only one who thinks this is getting rather silly? First a password-protected save and now a pledge?

Togas, the primary reason for putting the save into a password protected archive is to force everybody wanting to toy with it to read the pledge. I may have used a less then proper name for that, but the intention was that every person having access to the save realizes what is allowed and what is not, what is ok to do and what leads to cheating, even if unintentional. For people not familiar with PBEM, it is very easy to unintentionally do something bad - I myself learned some of those things by accidentally doing them... There is no place on Apolyton that would list the current PBEM bugs in this way.

Hope this makes it clear now. It is not my paranoia, it's just making sure we all know how things work. If I put few extra points into the pledge that are "obvious"... well, that's me. I usually try to be precise...



P.S.: I actually had a member in Legoland that unintentionally saw something he was not supposed to, falling victim to one of the load bugs. He felt very bad about it and restricted himself from the team activities until his knowledge was obsolete. Had he known about the problem, he would have made sure to avoid it.

	23-02-2003 12:09									#25
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I pledge.

EDIT: password PMed by vondrack.

Last edited by vondrack on 23-02-2003 at 12:28

	23-02-2003 13:24									#26
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

I pledge

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Last edited by vondrack on 23-02-2003 at 13:34

	23-02-2003 15:30									#27
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I accept the pledge.

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Last edited by vondrack on 23-02-2003 at 16:00

	23-02-2003 23:38									#28
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I accept, let's swing this thing my way so I can start doing something.

P.S. Shouldn't the consuls have to take the pledge also?

EDIT: password PMed by vondrack.

Last edited by vondrack on 24-02-2003 at 01:37

	24-02-2003 10:21									#29
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I accept the pledge.

EDIT: password PMed by vondrack.

Last edited by vondrack on 24-02-2003 at 12:31

	24-02-2003 14:29									#30
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I accept the pledge

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Last edited by vondrack on 24-02-2003 at 14:55