23-02-2003 04:22									#1
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For those of you that don't already know how backwards the US is 14 States, Puerto Rico and the military have criminal sodomy laws. This applies to any sexual act other than the missionary style (man on top of woman).

At least my state unlike Texas, Kansas, Missouri, and Oklahoma doesn't discriminate between heterosexuals and homosexuals in theory (those states have sodomy laws against only homosexuals), though almost all sodomy charges are harbored against homosexuals here anyway.

The statute in my state makes it "a crime against nature", and a class 1 Felony!!! A felony... I might as well go out and bomb a building and steal from a bank everytime I have sex, because if I ever get caught I will put away like I'm some major criminal. This is rediculous.

	23-02-2003 04:25									#2
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Of course it is ridiculous, and a gross infringement of civil liberties. What consenting adults choose to do is of absolutely no issue to the state whatsoever...

	23-02-2003 04:26									#3
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When was the last time someone was prosecuted under your State's laws against homosexuality?

While I certainly don't support the statute I suspect bombers and bank robbers are prosecuted....

	23-02-2003 04:28									#4
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quote: This applies to any sexual act other than the missionary style.

*raises eyebrow*

Doubtful. Do you have any evidence for this presupposition?

	23-02-2003 04:28									#5
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It should be a principle though as well, any such law should be repealed for all it stands for. Homosexuals and heterosexuals should have complete parity under law.

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That's 'parity' not 'parroty'

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quote: When was the last time someone was prosecuted under your State's laws against homosexuality?

Most prostitutes in my city are prosecuted with this, and I live in a very liberal city, surrounded on all sides by the hell hounds of the Christian right. Anyway, the police use the threat of prosecution to get their way with anyone who is gay (and yes they do this)...

	23-02-2003 04:31									#8
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PH - I agree completely. The law itself is offensive, but it would be more offensive if it was applied.

It is often easier to allow a law to fall into disuse rather than attempt to repeal it. The law books of most jurisdictions are full of obsolete offences.

	23-02-2003 04:32									#9
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Become a lesbian.

	23-02-2003 04:32									#10
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It is also used to deny people jobs and places to live... because they don't want worker or tenants that commit felony illegal acts.

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Thorn - only gay prostitutes? I doubt it. I suspect they are prosecuted under 'prostitution/solicitation' statutes - not homosexualty ones....

	23-02-2003 04:36									#12
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No they get both...

Anyway in court a gay person's can be discredited as being a assumed participating felon because of the laws... and this can be used in civil and criminal courts.....

	23-02-2003 04:38									#13
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I'd need a link to believe this law is being applied....

	23-02-2003 04:48									#14
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North Carolina
Statute: 14-177, Crime Against Nature
Penalty: 3 years
Classification: Felony
Restrictions: None

quote: Statute 14-177. Crime against nature If any person shall commit the crime against nature, with mankind or beast, he shall be punished as a Class I felon.

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Write the governor. Promise him you'll perform each 'offending' act on him if he (or unless he ) changes the law.

	23-02-2003 04:54									#16
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quote: This is rediculous.

Indeed. I say the best way to protest it is through civil disobedience. Have lots of sex.

	23-02-2003 04:56									#17
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I don't doubt the law EXISTS - show me that it is USED by the State....

(We have a bizarre angle to our sodomy law as well, although I've never heard of it being applied...)

	23-02-2003 05:06									#18
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quote: People are charged with the offense. According to the N.C. Administrative Office of the Courts, trial-level judges statewide heard 379 cases last year that involved a breach of the crimes against nature law. Another 101 cases concerned attempted violations of the statute, a misdemeanor.

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Again, I ask for a link....

Cut and paste can come from anywhere. Surely with that many prosecutions a media/court link can be found?

Sorry to put you to work but it is your thread.

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quote: This applies to any sexual act other than the missionary style (man on top of woman). [Quote]If any person shall commit the crime against nature, with mankind or beast, he shall be punished as a Class I felon.

Spock mode.

Your conclusion is unsupported by the premise. The essential clause, 'crime against nature' in no way prohibits popular alternate sexual positions such as the 'doggy style' between a man and a women.

Lacking a link, I am unable to consider the origin of such law, or to confirm its limitation to the jurisdictions cited.

/Spock mode

	23-02-2003 05:12									#21
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http://www.sodomylaws.org/

Browse around there a bit... A lot of African and middle eastern countries give sodomy the death penalty.....

	23-02-2003 05:17									#22
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quote: Your conclusion is unsupported by the premise. The essential clause, 'crime against nature' in no way prohibits popular alternate sexual positions such as the 'doggy style' between a man and a women.

It is how they define crime against nature... it's a historical basis kind of like common law...

You can look up the statutes if you like, my state is NC....

I don't understand why you are so unlikely to believe this... it really isn't that unbelievable... your skepticism is a bit too much, like I said the US is very backwards......

	23-02-2003 05:25									#23
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This is from the Texas section:

(1) "Deviate sexual intercourse" means:

(A) any contact between any part of the genitals of one person and the mouth or anus of another person; or

(B) the penetration of the genitals or the anus of another person with an object.

Nothing about doggy style.

You'll have to confine your flowery rhetoric against the missionary position.

As for the 'homosexual only' limitation, I can't confirm from your site as to the source.

They simply say there is a distinction, without listing the legal definition of homosexuality within Texas.

If one were to define a homosexual, as one who engages in sodomy, then there is no loophole for anyone who engages in sodomy, regardless of their primary orientation.

	23-02-2003 05:27									#24
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One question: can police arrest you for looking at naughty sites for... research purposes?

I really dunno how does it work

	23-02-2003 05:29									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Datajack Franit One question: can police arrest you for looking at naughty sites for... research purposes? I really dunno how does it work

I guess you could ask Pete Townshend.....

	23-02-2003 05:34									#26
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quote: You'll have to confine your flowery rhetoric against the missionary position.

I don't know where it is on the books but it is "common knowledge" here.

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"Common knowledge" of law is often wrong.

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i don't know how reliable a source evc is

	23-02-2003 06:23									#30
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My sympathies. While I do support a state's right to legislate as it sees fit (I like the idea that different states have different 'flavors'), it's always been my opinion that what two (or more) consenting adults do together sexually in private is not the concern of the state.

If you wish to attempt to initiate change, do so reasonably. Follow the leads of King and Gandhi.

In the meantime, many cities and states are very sympathetic to alternative lifestyles (and San Francisco is a gorgeous city).

Good luck.