23-02-2003 21:51									#1
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We have had various threads on other TV shows, and yet none (as far as I know) on one of American TV's most sucessful dramas. Now, i have no idea if this show has wide sindication outside of the US and Canada, so for those that have never seen it, or heard of it, a very brief synopsis: A 1 hour drama set in NY that examines a single crime from the vieewpoint of police detectives and Assistant Distric Attoerney's.

NOw, the show has been on at least 11 years and has created 3 spin-oFf, one of which failed, two which are themselves very popular. It has also gone through several cast changes.

So, doy ou like L&O? watch it regularly?
Any cast rpeferences? and what about the spin-offs?

I watch this show regularly. It is one of my favorite dramas.
As for cast and characters: I like Sam Waterston's ADA better than Moriarty's, and the current Junior ADA, played by Elizabeth Roehm (any connection to Ernst?) better than any of the other female ADA's until you get to Henessy. As for the Cops, I like the Lenny character most, and like the Lieutenant.

As for the spin-off, I watch L&O: SUV (specail victims Units, dealing with sex crimes), specially the Ice-T and Richard Belzer characters. I hate CI (criminal intent) because it breaks form the formula too miuch and Mr. D"Ofrio is a ham and overacts badly, in my opinion.

	23-02-2003 21:55									#2
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L&O rawks!

I watch the reruns on TNT occassionally. It's great because they show episodes from all over the place, in no sort of seasonal order. So you can see extras who were murderers in earlier episodes being witness/judges/cops/etc. in later episodes.

Waterston is awesome, one of the main reasons I like the show. I don't care for the new ADA (the blonde), I liked her predecessor better (who is now on Crossing Jordan, I believe).

Yeah, Lenny Brisko is the best cop. I liked Benjamin Bratt as his sidekick a lot, but also like the newest guy (the black cop, can't remember his name).

The bail hearing judge is da bomb!

	23-02-2003 22:02									#3
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i used to be addicted to it when i was like 16-17, id watch it when i got home on A&E, and then watch it on TNT, then Watch it later that night on A&E again. then god permitting one of the new EPs was out. brisko and the character chris noth played, that were the best imho.

	23-02-2003 22:11									#4
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quote: Originally posted by GePap So, do you like L&O? watch it regularly?

I used to watch it somewhat regularly (when I could) until around 97 or 98. By that point I thought the series was becoming a bit stale (and a little formulaic) having run so long - I've been watching a handful of episodes each season since then (plus I got the season 1 dvd set, and the computer game), so I guess I'm still something of a fan.

quote: Any cast rpeferences?

I think I like the Briscoe/Logan/Kincaid/Stone (or McCoy) team the best cause that was when I was watching it the most and when I think the show was hitting it's prime. I think I prefer Stone to McCoy.

	23-02-2003 22:18									#5
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Which spin-off failed?

I prefer CI to SVU. I don't think that they could handle another show with exactly the same format as the original L&O.

I have noticed that there's one thing that seems to be consistent in the show. In the scene before the opening credits, Lenny always has to make an ironic comment about the dead person.

	23-02-2003 22:20									#6
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I like them all.

	23-02-2003 22:22									#7
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They tried a L&O were you followed a real trial. They ahd about 2 episodes before it disappeared. I forget the name, but ti came out aboutt he time of CI.

I forgot to say that I thouroguhly miss Steven Hill's character. Diane Laine's DA was almost simply a whinny contrarian, discussing law theory and not so much trial strategy (though the DA on this show almost alwasy seem to think what is going on is not so good). Fred D. Thompson is better, but he barely shows up.

	23-02-2003 22:25									#8
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Well, Fred does have a full time job in the U.S. Congress.

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Crime & Punishment.. I think I caught the last half of an episode of it once. I enjoyed it, though it's easy to see how the show failed to capture an audience.

	23-02-2003 22:28									#10
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Yeah, Stephen Hill's DA was the best. I thought the woman who followed him was ok, just unremarkable. Her best moment was standing up to the ***** of a judge who wanted a harsher sentence sought for an accountant who had (unintentionally) induced someone to try and kill the judge.

	23-02-2003 22:29									#11
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I used to love "Law and Order"... but the DA's now suck big time. We would watch the first half an hour and love it, then would be bored to tears for the second half and hour... so we've stopped watching it. We still watch some of the reruns with the old cast.

SVU is our favorite. Most of it is cop related with very little action ever happening in the Court Room. The cast of characters is wonderful.

CI is just the opposite... It's a one man show, and he is simply incredibile in the role. It's high on our viewing list.

	23-02-2003 22:30									#12
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Law and Order is aired late nights in Sweden on a rubbish channel. It has never gotten anything close to prime time as far as I know. kind of strange really as the parts that I've seen has been pretty good for 3 am-TV.

This in a country where the biggest channel shows one hour with two "the nanny"-episode re-runs between 19-20 on friday...

	23-02-2003 22:31									#13
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My favorite L&O episodes (Which is a very tough pick for me) were the Homicide crossover.

	23-02-2003 22:32									#14
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quote: NOw, the show has been on at least 11 years

It's on it's 13th season.

	23-02-2003 22:34									#15
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I guess you mean the change from Stone to McCoy: that was 7 years ago, no?

Does anyoen even remember the actor how played the first old cop? I know Paul Sorvino had the role season 2.

I can't stand D'Onofrio in his role in CI: he chews up the scenery in a bad way for me.

As for SUV: the male partner fo the main duel (I can't remember their characters name's) is a bit too high strung: you would think he would have shot someone already and gotten suspended. I like how they brought back Dan Florek to be the Lieutenant.

	23-02-2003 22:34									#16
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And I've never watch more than a couple of seconds of it.

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Yeah... it was a long time ago... but we still watched it until we just couldn't put up with "let's make a deal" DA's any more.

D'Onofrio is one of those guys you are either going to hate or love. I think he's perfect in the role. But I can understand how somebody could not like him

	23-02-2003 22:38									#18
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quote: Originally posted by GePap I guess you mean the change from Stone to McCoy: that was 7 years ago, no?

looking up on the imdb, it was nine years ago.

quote: Does anyoen even remember the actor how played the first old cop? I know Paul Sorvino had the role season 2.

George Dzundza

	23-02-2003 22:40									#19
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Bring back Angie Harmon!

	23-02-2003 22:42									#20
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Does anyoen even remember the actor how played the first old cop? I know Paul Sorvino had the role season 2.

From one of the many web sites...

George Dzundza quit the show after its first season over a dispute with the writers and producers over scheduling and script quality. The series was originally set to film in Los Angeles, but when **** Wolf won his fight to shoot it in New York, Dzundza did not want to relocate his family there, and thus had to divide his time between the two locations. This argument reached a breaking point when the producers threatened to sue him if Dzundza interrupted shooting to be with his wife at the birth of their child. Dzundza's actual last appearance is in "The Blue Wall," though his character, Greevey, makes a shadowy appearance in the second season opener, "Confession" through the magic of doubles.

	23-02-2003 22:48									#21
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I never liked Angie Harmon's character. Hennesey was the best, but her character's dead.

I really like CI, but I feel that most of the rest of the characters have very little to do. It's D'Onofrio's show, and he does a great job. So, does anyone else think after last week's episode that the character is slightly schizophrenic?

	23-02-2003 22:49									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Timexwatch Bring back Angie Harmon!

NEVER!
Jill Hennesy and the current actress are both pretty but still believable characters. Harmon and the previous one (Gere's wife) not only distract too much, but I never liked the sensibilities of their characters.

The Dzundza character gets shot and killed, which is when Sorvino comes in. Sorvino is also shot. I think the Hennensy characters dies in a car crash. The explination for the other cast members leaving is usually for personal or business reasons.

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Hennesy's got her own show now, and boy does it suck.

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I never liked Angie Harmon's character. Hennesey was the best, but her character's dead.

Actually, I don't remember that ever being clarrified. Although obviously she was at least seriously injured. (OTOH, this is TV, no major characters ever really die on TV...)

As for Angie Harmon, if history teaches us anything, it's that she'll become a defense attorney and show up in some episode defending the accused.

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Hennesy's got her own show now, and boy does it suck.

Some of us like it.

Speaking of Crossing Jordan, a couple of other Law & Order Alumni have shown up on it, including Chris Noth and the woman who played Shambala Green in the first few seasons.

	23-02-2003 23:01									#26
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haha edan, i remember the first time i saw brisko as "mr lehr"...that was one of those, "WTF IS GOING ON" moments

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The first episode of the second seaons we see the Dzundza charcter gunned down. So people do die in L&O.

As for the Hennesy character, my guess is she dies: otherwise she would ahve been brought up again. As for her new show, watched it a couple of times, and do not like it that much: at best tis tepid. I must say she (Hennesy) does sing well. It's also strange that she is an indentical twin. you hardly ever think of actors on TV as being half of a set of twins.

	23-02-2003 23:04									#28
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It has quality. And I loved Angie Harmon. She has the "look". I'd love to bang the crap out of her


But anyways it is too formulatic. And they make it look too easy. They wrap up an investigation in 22 minutes. And take 22 minutes to prosecute the guy. It is never that easy. And the episodes are the same thing every time it seems. I used to watch it when I watches Left Wing regularly, but I no longer watch that show as well.

	23-02-2003 23:07									#29
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The formula in L&O is that it never goes well: anytime they seem to have wrapped things up in 15 minutes, you know they are wrong, and that some new 'twist' will come up.

The show is now formulaci, and to me, that is part of the charm, like Original Coca Cola. You know, i probalby care for the Politics of the West Wing afr more then you, but I never cared for that show at all.

	23-02-2003 23:23									#30
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I love Law and Order... my dad is somewhat of a Law and Order freak. Now that he's retired, he watches as many episodes per day as he can find on basic cable.

I like all of the Law and Order series'. I don't know if I prefer SVU or CI over the original; but I definitely have some favorites among the actors. Vincent D.Onofrio or whatever is the sh1t... I feel bad for his partner though, she's like a little assistant. My favorite line in that show is "Imes... hand me a bag." I like the DA from CI also... that black guy is cool as hell with his old school detective's hat.

As for the original... I love Lenny... I liked the Benjamin Bratt episodes best, but only because of the hot ADA that was McCoy's sidekick. She left the show but made cameos as a defense attorney. I have no problem with the current ADA that works with McCoy, although I'm not a big fan of Fred Thompson.

If all three series were on at the same time, I'd probably watch CI or SVU. The woman detective on SVU is smoking!! I read somewhere that she's Jane Mansfield's daughter.