25-02-2003 20:01									#31
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quote: Originally posted by CICSMaster One crackpot at at time, Sava.

Which one, Bush or Saddam?

	25-02-2003 21:55									#32
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"The thing that bothers me is that Bush isn't going to be consistent"

I was waiting for that.

One day from a lefty it is "Bush isn't consistent" and the next day it's criticism about a "one-size-fits-all policy".

	25-02-2003 21:59									#33
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I've never complained about the "one-size-fits-all" policy. A piece of advice Bodds... when pointing out hypocrisy, it's important that the conflicting statements come from the same person.

I'm actually all for treating the supporters of terror the same. Let's remove Saudi Arabia's oppressive regime. They support much more terrorism than Iraq.

	25-02-2003 22:04									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's I was waiting for that. One day from a lefty it is "Bush isn't consistent" and the next day it's criticism about a "one-size-fits-all policy".

So, why is W. so gung-ho attacking Iraq?

	25-02-2003 22:06									#35
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If he was gung-ho, he would have attacked a long time ago.

	25-02-2003 22:08									#36
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Nah, he's at least smart enough to know that it's better to attack with more support.

	25-02-2003 22:12									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's If he was gung-ho, he would have attacked a long time ago.

Without building up sufficiently Dookie? Better pull your foot from your mouth.

	25-02-2003 22:13									#38
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You idiot. He would have started building up a short time before a long time ago.

	25-02-2003 22:19									#39
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quote: Anyone who thinks this war is about : terrorism, WoMD, oppressive regimes, liberating peoples, or getting rid of an immediate threat to the US:

who cares what Bush's personal reasons for doing it are, the numerous 'other' reasons to attack him more than justify it. If a cop shoots a robber because the person who was that robber verbally insulted him a few days earlier, does that mean shooting that robber is now wrong, because the personal intention for shooting may not be justified?

Even if Bush is just using all those reasons for cover of his true reason, they are all still good reasons!

	25-02-2003 22:21									#40
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quote: who cares what Bush's personal reasons for doing it are, the numerous 'other' reasons to attack him more than justify it. If a cop shoots a robber because the person who was that robber verbally insulted him a few days earlier, does that mean shooting that robber is now wrong, because the personal intention for shooting may not be justified? Even if Bush is just using all those reasons for cover of his true reason, they are all still good reasons!

	25-02-2003 22:23									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's You idiot. He would have started building up a short time before a long time ago.

The US has been building up continuously ever since W. indicated his desire to invade Iraq.

So how long is a short time and when was a long time ago?

	25-02-2003 22:23									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Sava I've never complained about the "one-size-fits-all" policy. A piece of advice Bodds... when pointing out hypocrisy, it's important that the conflicting statements come from the same person. I'm actually all for treating the supporters of terror the same. Let's remove Saudi Arabia's oppressive regime. They support much more terrorism than Iraq.

Sava,
if terrorism was the ONLY reason why the US wants to attack Iraq, then i agree with you. But there are many reasons, terrorism is just among them. Terrorism, on the other hand, would be the only reason to attack Saudi Arabia. With all the flack bush gets from trying to knock Saddam from power, do you really think he could get backing to take Saudi Arabia out?

quote: What about North Korea? They just fired a missile into the sea.

we will deal with them soon enough, im sure. dont wanna spread ourselves too thin, id imagine.

	25-02-2003 22:25									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Kramerman who cares what Bush's personal reasons for doing it are, the numerous 'other' reasons to attack him more than justify it.

Apparently, the majority of the people and countries in the world disagree with you.

	25-02-2003 22:28									#44
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Kramerman, motive is at the heart of the matter.

	25-02-2003 22:30									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Apparently, the majority of the people and countries in the world disagree with you.

With 2 billion followers, Christianity is the most popular religion in the world... does this mean all the other religions are wrong?

If you are following the anti-war movement merely for the sole reason that more people are on that side than the pro-war movement, then i am sorry for you.

	25-02-2003 22:30									#46
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"Apparently, the majority of the people and countries in the world disagree with you."

And as we know, the majority are always right.

They have more ulterior motives for being against the war than Bush has for being for it. For a start, anti-Americanism.

	25-02-2003 22:31									#47
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2 billion ? does that number smell since it just came out of your ass?

	25-02-2003 22:32									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Kramerman With 2 billion followers, Christianity is the most popular religion in the world... does this mean all the other religions are wrong?

No, it means Christianity is wrong, because 4 billion people disagree with it.

But, as Sava said, where did you get that number?

quote: Originally posted by Kramerman If you are following the anti-war movement merely for the sole reason that more people are on that side than the pro-war movement, then i am sorry for you.

Evidently you haven't been paying attention on 'Poly as of late.

	25-02-2003 22:33									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's "Apparently, the majority of the people and countries in the world disagree with you." And as we know, the majority are always right.

No, but you are always wrong.

quote: Originally posted by Boddington's They have more ulterior motives for being against the war than Bush has for being for it. For a start, anti-Americanism.

Even the millions of people in the US who marched against the war?

	25-02-2003 22:33									#50
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(instead of editing my previous post, im just adding another)

i forget who said this:

'just because a million fools believe something foolish, it does not mean that it is now unfoolish'



(not saying yall are foolish for y'alls beliefs, on contrary, i know yall are all very intellegent. just the word fool is how the quote goes)

	25-02-2003 22:35									#51
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"Even the millions of people in the US who marched against the war?"

Anti-Bush.

Anti-Americanism.

Pretty much the same thing at the moment.

	25-02-2003 22:36									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Sava 2 billion ? does that number smell since it just came out of your ass?

here you go:

quote: What is the most popular religion in the world? With over 1.1 billion adherents, Islam is the world's most popular single religion. Following Islam, Catholicism, Hinduism, Protestantism, and Buddhism round out the top five. However, there are almost 2 billion Christians in the world - divided into several subsets of Christianity. Almost one billion people (one-sixth the world's population) are agnostic, atheists, or indifferent to religion. For more information, visit my Religion category of resources.

http://geography.about.com/library/faq/blqzreligion.htm

please, you just have to ask for a source next time.

	25-02-2003 22:36									#53
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With reference to W.'s assertions:

"A lie repeated a thousand times does not become the truth."

I love quote wars.

	25-02-2003 22:39									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger No, it means Christianity is wrong, because 4 billion people disagree with it. But, as Sava said, where did you get that number? Evidently you haven't been paying attention on 'Poly as of late.

with that logic, all religions are wrong (which is fine with me, i just came to a similar conclusion with less flawed logic).

above

no, not really. i got sick of these iraq threads for awhile. I dunno why i came back to it, really. no body changes anybodys' mind, and they just brood harsh feelings, it seems.

	25-02-2003 22:41									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger With reference to W.'s assertions: "A lie repeated a thousand times does not become the truth." I love quote wars.

and to what lie are you refering, eh?

	25-02-2003 23:05									#56
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH What about North Korea? They just fired a missile into the sea.

Not the sea! Fish live there!

	25-02-2003 23:07									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Apparently, the majority of the people and countries in the world disagree with you.

Perfect UR. True to form.

	25-02-2003 23:19									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Ned I half recall that Georing at least twice promised Hitler something that he could not produce: air suppremacy in the Battle of Britain and the resupply the surrounded army in Stalingrad.

IIRC Georing also promised Hitler that the Luffwaffa could destroy the allied troops trapped in the Dunkirk pocket. Hitler halted the panzer and wermarch divisions. The net result, of course, were the 300,000 plus evacuees that escaped rather than surrendered.

	25-02-2003 23:43									#59
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Insofar as I'm concerned, *both* sides in the debate regarding Iraq have made valid points. But neither side seems to understand a fundamental fact, and that is this:

No matter what happens in Iraq — whether we go to war with them, or stick with increasingly-ineffective sanctions and diplomatic solutions that leave Saddam in power — people will die. Innocent people. There are no ifs, ands or buts. People will die. All that matters is when and how they will die. Should war break out, they will die in a matter of weeks, maybe months. Should war never materialize, and Saddam remains in power, they will continue to die as they have since the day Saddam took power so long ago, victims of his secret police, of his purges, of his wars, and whatnot.

There appears to be no solution where lives are spared. Both sides in this debate should agree on that, because it's cold, hard reality.

About the only "silver lining" I can see in war is that death would come soon for some, but might bode for a brighter future for the survivors, whereas the scenario where Saddam remains in power bodes only years and years of gradual torture and death for many.

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